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In Reply to: RE: I have never driven mine in the winter ... posted by Quadzilla on April 19, 2021 at 12:33:27
The authorities didn't use anywhere near as much salt then as they do today, and they didn't use brine, which is far worse and is now SOP.
I don't know that my friend's brother had the car rustproofed but he never spared any expense, so it probably had Ziebart. FWIW, my '71 Pinto had Ziebart also, but that didn't stop the front fenders from rotting out. Surface rust would destroy the doors, quarters, and rockers.
I know that Karl, the Z owner in question, also had a 1969 SS396 (banana yellow with a Muncie 4-speed) and it held up much better than the Z did. Outlasted it in fact. Was finally totaled in 1977, by which time the Z has rotted through the second set of rockers and quarter panels, had been replaced by a VW Scirocco. In fact, even my old Pinto outlasted the Z. My brother was driving it in 1977. I had moved on to a truly awful Chevy Caprice.
You certainly did something right, keeping your Datsun in one piece.
The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
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Ziebart used to be the go-to rust-proofing company, but it fell behind the competition because in many cases it made rust worse. The Ziebart compound would eventually harden and crack, causing water and dissolved salt to wick up and settle in between the metal and the Ziebart compound. It would then be free to rust without being seen until it was too late. My guy uses a waxy 'no-drip' compound that seeps into the nooks and crannies, and never dries out. He swears by it, and I can't fault the results.
No, Mr. Pence, 'The Handmaid's Tale' is not a documentary about the good old days.
His was a regular coupe not a hatch. Not Ziebarted either. The holes in the quarter panels were almost big enough to shove a sheep through.
Mine held up much better, probably because of the Ziebart, but the extreme tuck-under of the body sides that was in fashion then meant lots of stone chips on the doors, rockers, quarters. Fighting surface rust in those areas was a constant battle.
Road crews back then, in the Pittsburgh area at least, only had rock salt on hand and didn't use it when the temps dropped below 20 degrees. They'd switch to ash, which caused different problems than salt.
The ash--and road dirt in general--built up inside of frame rails and along the lips around wheel openings. If you didn't hose that stuff out, and nobody ever did, it would kill the car just as sure as salt would.
The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
The biggest fault with the 240Z design was their factory undercoating. It was very porous and absorbent. It would suck up water and salt and hold onto it. The best thing to do was to scrape as much off as you could, then apply tar or some other petroleum compound that rejects water.
No, Mr. Pence, 'The Handmaid's Tale' is not a documentary about the good old days.
We all pretty much accepted that you bought a car you really liked but you wouldn't have it long.
The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
My buddy's father was in charge of quality control at the nearby Ford plant where they built Mavericks, Pintos, and eventually Crown Victorias. He owned a full-sized Galaxy or something like that (sorry, but I don't know much about American cars), and one day he pulled on the door handle and the whole mechanism came away, leaving a huge rust hole where the handle should have been. Needless to say, he was furious.
No, Mr. Pence, 'The Handmaid's Tale' is not a documentary about the good old days.
We never had those rust issues down her in Fl. unless you lived near or on the beach.
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