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In Reply to: RE: Yes that's what I think! posted by Goober58 on April 17, 2021 at 13:13:15
My plan would require licensing with a buy back option for all semi-auto and automatic weapon
Why do we need a buy back plan for citizens to sell any of their possessions? Do we need an underwear buy back plan? Those who no longer want or need a given gun can always sell it to a licensed gun dealer. I've done that a couple of times myself. Do criminals sell their tools of the trade? Of course not!
who choose not to license their semi-auto and/automatic weapons.
*Licensing* is required only for fully automatic weapons as established in the 1934 NFA.
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So do criminals sell their tools of their trade?
Of course they do. When they upgrade! Big bucks!The big question is how and where they get their tools of their trade?
Guess what! They probably buy most of them.
And that's a giant part of your problem.
And that's what the Government buybacks are designed to fix.
They take the types of guns criminals buy and get them out of circulation.
Keep Your Hands Clean,
John K
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Guess what! They probably buy most of them.
No doubt, but not through legal means getting checked through the FBI by the ATF procedure.
And that's what the Government buybacks are designed to fix.
Intended perhaps, but not in practice here. Fortunately, our liberties preclude governmental seizure of personal property. :)
a lot of black market guns are stolen
there's 'gray market' counterfeits too!
and a lot of bartering going on
so there's that
Still, buy backs remove the weapons from circulation.
They can no longer be stolen and bartered to a crack head.
Keep Your Hands Clean,
John K
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I'm all for it
in crackville, a 'friend' might steal your perfectly good piece and flip it in a buy-back for easy safe money
regards,
Crackheads selling stolen guns to the cops.
I'd love to see that ;-)
Keep Your Hands Clean,
John K
Right but I'm suggesting we require licensing for semi-automatic weapons.
If someone decides they don't want to get a license they can sell the weapon through a licensed dealer prior to the end of the period allowed for licensing. If they decide to keep the firearm without licensing it and are detected by a game warden, shooting range operator, traffic cop, etc. the gun will be confiscated. The owner can then choose to license the weapon, take payment for it or just let it go.
This is not a solution, just part of one. A bigger part would be to become more proactive when it comes to monitoring people who are involved in violent crime or labelled as potentially violent. Getting these folks off the streets and/or providing them with the mental health care they need would probably yield better results than with gun licensing but no thing is going to be perfect. If it was no gun control would be needed at all.
Right but I'm suggesting we require licensing for semi-automatic weapons.
To what end?
This is not a solution, just part of one.
How would that be part of a solution?
BTW, you never answered my question.
I think I did.
not the one behind the need for a buy back plan when any gun owner can already sell their unwanted firearms. :)
But I did answer that. If a licensing requirement is put in place the owner can sell his gun to a licensed dealer until the time period for registration expires. After that if unregistered gun is detected it will be confiscated and the owner can register it, take compensation or just forget it.
I wasn't really referring to a buy back plan. Currently many cities have buy back programs where they allow people to drop off guns for $50 or something no questions asked. Apparently some cities think they've been successful doing this - though I'm betting most of the guns they collect are broken, damaged and maybe even dangerous. In Az. the Cities would destroy the guns but the State made it illegal for the destruction to take place and now requires the Cities to resell them (or pass them on to others to do so). I think this put an end to buy back programs in Arizona.
But why pay dealer overhead or take low State buy back prices when in many States they can sell it for more money on Craigslist, gun shows or other gun sale sites? In Arizona a person can sell a gun and all he/she needs to ensure is that the buyer is a resident of the State.It's really easy for someone to buy a gun especially if they don't dicker about paying high prices. I have not looked in a while but a couple of years back it was real easy finding guns used selling for more than the gun sold for new.
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If-someone-wants-to-get-money-for-their-gun-they-are-able-to-do-that-today. No-need-for-any-new-"program".
when in many States they can sell it for more money on Craigslist, gun shows or other gun sale sites?
Only for junk guns. Folks get between $50 and $250 which is far less than I would sell any of mine for.
Government buy back usually rounds up the junk and broken guns.
People, like you, can sell guns more to those who don't want to have a background check. Like I said here in Az. you can sell your guns to anyone as long as it's a resident of the State.
Why pay a licensed dealer to sell your gun when you can sell it via Craiglist, Backpage, whatever and get more money for it at that?
So my plan calls it voluntary compensation for those who choose not to license their semi-auto and/automatic weapons.
And now agreeing with me that such is completely unnecessary.
One can already sell their undesired weapons. No need for a new government plan to take over normal commerce.
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