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In Reply to: RE: I LOVE B&W photography posted by pictureguy on April 16, 2021 at 23:16:38
There was a "harshness" to it that I didn't care for, but I used it for available light photography (e.g., shooting sports for my HS yearbook).
I preferred the look of Plus-X, and Pan-X even more -- but the latter wasn't too practical for what I was doing in those long-ago times.
The last roll of B&W I burned (in 2015!) was, I am pretty sure, Tri-X. My son developed it and scanned it for me. I was pretty happy with the results, especially since I was guesstimating exposures based on the readings from my DSLR! :)
I, too, do like B&W. The image you posted looks great!
all the best,
mrh
Follow Ups:
I was a medical photographer in the Navy back in the 1990's but was a photography nut since age 18. When I joined the Navy I wanted to be a PH (photographers mate)but they said there weren't any openings and from the list of other rates I eventually chose the corpsman (medic) field -which would pan out for the better because I would learn later that field among the dozens (if not hundreds) of areas of work had their own medical photography line.My first duty station was here at the Naval hospital in San Diego in '82. I hadn't been there a month or two when I saw a shipmate walking around with a Nikon F1 and flash. I said 'whoooa - that's nice is it yours?' He laughed and said no, he was a medical photographer and it belonged to the lab. We talked photography for about 30 min and he said 'hey we're always looking for OJT's, why don't you bring your portfolio over to lab for our dept head to see. Man I 'bout sh*t my pants when he said that lol.
I gathered my photos, and long story short they accepted me as a OJT. I started at the front desk and one day I asked if I could have a roll of film. KC (the guy I first met) said 'follow me' and took me to the supply room. Within it there was two HUGE freezers. He opened it up and said take your pick: there was thousands of rolls and 'bricks' (rolls bundled together) inside. He said these were for 'official jobs' but a percentage is authorized for training. For me I was in Heaven because back then as a E3 film wasn't cheap out in town..About a week later I was shooting assignments as a photographer and was doing 'everything' the trained photographers were doing including weekend duty which usually involved criminal documentation (rape,child abuse,assualts,etc.).
Eventually I decided to apply for the school but I was only a E3 (you had to be a E4) and they rejected waivers back then. So when my shore tour ended I was sent to Japan for a year. Which was another blessing because photo gear there was CHEAP lol..welp around that time I picked up E4 and got the school in the DC area, graduated and was sent to the Bay area. Absolutely incredible experience, best 5 years of my life. Every other weekend I was making thousands shooting weddings, I would call up all the units asking if they needed a photographer for their annual formal ball, that eventually got me a gig with a production company to shoot stills for their video productions.
This was all pre-digital of course and we all had Nikon F4's, including every Nikon lens and flashes. Zoom lenses were available but they couldn't match the optics and resolution of a fixed lens. We also had incredible studio equipment including Mamiya RB67s and later the 68. Every Navy photographer (PH's and in my case HM's) all wanted Hassleblads of course but they were cost prohibited and the Mamiya's were right up there and generally consider second best. For standard hospital stuff (pre-op, post-op, intra-op, autopsies, crime scenes, copy, etc. public relations) we used small format (35mm) Nikons. For formal stuff (portraits ie Sailor of the year, executive portraits (Admirals,Co's, XO's, etc.) we used medium format (the Mamiya's).
But we also had cameras from old including various twin lens reflexes, medium and large format cameras and state of the art dark rooms equipment. No photographer worth his/her salt would EVER retire those.
We also had a full functioning color processing lab.
My personal favorite camera I used on weekends (we could sign out equipment) was a mint 4x5 speed graphic, and a 35mm Carl Zeiss range finder.
Tri-X hadn't been out that long but Kodak announced it would eventually replace Plus-X. So we had the opportunity to use both side by side.
To me there was no question, Plus-X was far better than Tri-X which used 't' shaped silver halides versus the standard straight halides. Supposedly the T shape would reduce grain upon magnification but I found the opposite to be true.
Also the tonality of plus X was exquisite compared to Tri-X (or anything else on the market, with the exception of Pan X of course).
No matter how you processed Tri-X (ie push/pull, temp adjustment,etc) I could never get it to look as pleasing as Plus-X.I remember photographing a side profile head and shoulder of my daughter who was around 4 at the time. When I processed the negative (4x5) I KNEW this was going to be special, and omg was it...just incredible contrast and detail - and that was just the negative! Once I printed it I was amazed at the detail and tonality- from the bright white of her eyes (sclera)to the darkest blacks of her hair and every gray tone in-between.
Of course the negative being 4x5 I could enlarge it up to 16x20 without any loss of detail.
With Tri X you could do the same, I mean lets face it, Kodak wasn't going to release it without it being a worthy contender, in fact they were literally betting the house on it.
But to me (and many others) Plus-X was in many ways far superior, far greater than simple nostalgia. Fortunately we had a choice of what to use and Plus X was still available for purchase. So for routine stuff (award ceremonies, PR crap) we used 35mm Tri-X since it was more forgiving under various lighting conditions. But for the 'serious' stuff I stayed with Plus-X.
I wish I'd kept that photo of my daughter (as well as tons of other pics) but sadly most were lost over the years through moving and divorce.
My last duty station before I retired at 20 years was the very first photo lab where I worked as an OJT back here in San Diego, I came in to take over as the guy in charge. And yes, we had many who wanted to OJT there and whenever possible I allowed them. A great full circle for me : )
Edits: 04/17/21 04/17/21 04/17/21 04/17/21 04/17/21
sorry I didn't see these replies 'til now!
all the best,
mrh
GL.
GREAT story. Terrific. And it is funny you were a big fan of the Speed Graphic. If the one I'm thinking of? Press Photogs friend for a generation. And would stop a bullet!
I especially like the 'full circle' idea. Great symetry and you were able to help others in a similar postion to where YOU came from !
As for lenses? Give me a call and I'll let you check out the 70-200 Nikkor for Z mount. This is maybe the best of its type across all full-frame or smaller digitals. This lens is simply amazing with characteristics a rival for your beloved primes.
I'm with an abreviated kit. I have 3 lenses. ONE of which is a prime of 85mm and uses the mount adapter for Z mount to F mount....
file attached from down next to Star Of India. I feel BAD for Russian Submariners. What an awful place to spend your life. And this one is, IMO, in danger of sinking right at its mooring.
Processed with DxO Photolab4 from a Nikon RAW file of over 35meg....
Too much is never enough
wow that sub has definitely seen better days lol...
I forgot the most important part of that story above, KC (the guy who gave me my break) was the guy I relieved at San Diego in 2002, he too was bounced around different duty stations and found his back to San Diego. He had married the same girl he'd introduce me to when he was dating her back in '82. He asked me if I could photograph his retirement ceremony along with a brief speech and I said certainly, it would be an honor! It was great, he's still around and on my friend's list on fb.
small world.......Navy Style!
I worked with THE Command Master Chief when I was with the SD Grand Jury.
Great guy with some stories left me laughing / crying.....
He was direct report to CNO, so even officers had have a certain 'respect'....
At his retirement? GWBush made some remarks......
Too much is never enough
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