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be attempted? Or do we just sit around, waiting for our turn or one of our loved ones to become the next target?
White guys are most responsible, but that's because they so outnumber blacks: percentage-wise, there's not much difference.
In reality, that means you're far more likely to be shot-and-killed going about your daily business by a white male.
Women? Very small percentage of shooters...
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Nearly proof that humans are nearly incapable of governing themselves.
Too much is never enough
The problem with The Land Of The Free is all the fuckwits who think freedom means "I have a gun and go fuck yourself".
As far as I know, it doesn't actually mean that.........
Keep Your Hands Clean,
John K
I would think gun owners would be on the front lines trying to limit the misuse of firearms. Instead they seem to have hunkered down in a defensive position.
Kind of sad.
The mouthpiece of the US gun owner is in a manufacturing position.
Keep Your Hands Clean,
John K
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of the GOP and it's supporters.I was in the NRA as a youth in the 60s. It was a really neat organization. I checked out again around 2010. Fear mongering, bad politics and hate was all I saw.
Strangely, and contrary to what some want us to believe, Democrats make up a big share of gun owners in America. It's not exclusive to the Right.
However offering nothing to common folks they've created the illusion that Democrats want to take our guns. Nothing is further from the truth.
Kind of freaks me out so many on public aid like Medicaid and Medicare or even Social Security would buy into this illusion when they depend so much on the programs being target by the Conservatives.
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"Hell yes, we're going to take your AR-15..."
"If I win, I'm coming for them..."
At best it shows some Democrats are willing to support mandatory gun buy backs of AR15 and AK47 type weapons. And even if they were talking about going door to door to confiscate these kinds of weapons of mass murder, which most of them are not, it's still not evidence the Democrats want to take our guns.
Like I said I personally know some Democrat who own collections of several guns, some AR-15 style, who don't have any fear of the kind of legislation being discussed by Democrats.
Like I say in another post around here - all gun owners need to be the ones proposing reasonable solutions. If not they are going to get the proposals of others imposed upon themselves. The gun industry itself will marketed strongly against anything that will limit their ability to profit off the sales of guns, ammo and accessories.
The public in general is looking for common sense gun control legislation - this includes both Democrats and Republicans.
Not all Republicans are tools of the NRA but most certainly the GOP benefits most from the marketing and advertising of the gun industry.
His words delivered with a smile are quite clear.
Joe's says he's coming for Beto O'Rourke.
Yet the title of the video and your links all claim it's about Joe coming for our guns.
It's just the typical kind of snippet garbage that pollutes public media these days.
Pay close attention starting at 1:08: Bingo!
Further:
"I would institute an national buyback program..."
I'm not arguing for the proposed solution. I'm addressing the concept that Democrats are coming for our guns. I'm sure some percentage of Dems would want to ban all guns but I'm thinking this is about the same percentage as there are white racists Republicans.
Personally I'm against background checks for things like revolvers and pump/lever action rifles and shotguns. I think semi and fully automatic weapons need to be licensed and only transferred though gun dealers.
I have no problem with gun buy back programs.
And lastly I think many would be surprised at the number of people who vote Republican who would support common sense gun control legislation.
You're kidding, right?
No way I would support an involuntary buy back plan. My plan would require licensing with a buy back option for all semi-auto and automatic weapons.
However if a semi-auto or automatic is discovered unlicensed after some reasonable period after legislation requiring licensing the weapon will be confiscated. The firearm will be held for some period of time for the owner to complete licensing. If the license is not received within that period the firearm will be disposed of - the gun owner would have the option of taking compensation during the time period and for a period of time after the weapons disposal if they chose not to get the license.
So my plan calls it voluntary compensation for those who choose not to license their semi-auto and/automatic weapons.
My plan would require licensing with a buy back option for all semi-auto and automatic weapon
Why do we need a buy back plan for citizens to sell any of their possessions? Do we need an underwear buy back plan? Those who no longer want or need a given gun can always sell it to a licensed gun dealer. I've done that a couple of times myself. Do criminals sell their tools of the trade? Of course not!
who choose not to license their semi-auto and/automatic weapons.
*Licensing* is required only for fully automatic weapons as established in the 1934 NFA.
So do criminals sell their tools of their trade?
Of course they do. When they upgrade! Big bucks!The big question is how and where they get their tools of their trade?
Guess what! They probably buy most of them.
And that's a giant part of your problem.
And that's what the Government buybacks are designed to fix.
They take the types of guns criminals buy and get them out of circulation.
Keep Your Hands Clean,
John K
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Guess what! They probably buy most of them.
No doubt, but not through legal means getting checked through the FBI by the ATF procedure.
And that's what the Government buybacks are designed to fix.
Intended perhaps, but not in practice here. Fortunately, our liberties preclude governmental seizure of personal property. :)
a lot of black market guns are stolen
there's 'gray market' counterfeits too!
and a lot of bartering going on
so there's that
Still, buy backs remove the weapons from circulation.
They can no longer be stolen and bartered to a crack head.
Keep Your Hands Clean,
John K
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I'm all for it
in crackville, a 'friend' might steal your perfectly good piece and flip it in a buy-back for easy safe money
regards,
Crackheads selling stolen guns to the cops.
I'd love to see that ;-)
Keep Your Hands Clean,
John K
Right but I'm suggesting we require licensing for semi-automatic weapons.
If someone decides they don't want to get a license they can sell the weapon through a licensed dealer prior to the end of the period allowed for licensing. If they decide to keep the firearm without licensing it and are detected by a game warden, shooting range operator, traffic cop, etc. the gun will be confiscated. The owner can then choose to license the weapon, take payment for it or just let it go.
This is not a solution, just part of one. A bigger part would be to become more proactive when it comes to monitoring people who are involved in violent crime or labelled as potentially violent. Getting these folks off the streets and/or providing them with the mental health care they need would probably yield better results than with gun licensing but no thing is going to be perfect. If it was no gun control would be needed at all.
Right but I'm suggesting we require licensing for semi-automatic weapons.
To what end?
This is not a solution, just part of one.
How would that be part of a solution?
BTW, you never answered my question.
I think I did.
not the one behind the need for a buy back plan when any gun owner can already sell their unwanted firearms. :)
But I did answer that. If a licensing requirement is put in place the owner can sell his gun to a licensed dealer until the time period for registration expires. After that if unregistered gun is detected it will be confiscated and the owner can register it, take compensation or just forget it.
I wasn't really referring to a buy back plan. Currently many cities have buy back programs where they allow people to drop off guns for $50 or something no questions asked. Apparently some cities think they've been successful doing this - though I'm betting most of the guns they collect are broken, damaged and maybe even dangerous. In Az. the Cities would destroy the guns but the State made it illegal for the destruction to take place and now requires the Cities to resell them (or pass them on to others to do so). I think this put an end to buy back programs in Arizona.
But why pay dealer overhead or take low State buy back prices when in many States they can sell it for more money on Craigslist, gun shows or other gun sale sites? In Arizona a person can sell a gun and all he/she needs to ensure is that the buyer is a resident of the State.It's really easy for someone to buy a gun especially if they don't dicker about paying high prices. I have not looked in a while but a couple of years back it was real easy finding guns used selling for more than the gun sold for new.
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If-someone-wants-to-get-money-for-their-gun-they-are-able-to-do-that-today. No-need-for-any-new-"program".
when in many States they can sell it for more money on Craigslist, gun shows or other gun sale sites?
Only for junk guns. Folks get between $50 and $250 which is far less than I would sell any of mine for.
Government buy back usually rounds up the junk and broken guns.
People, like you, can sell guns more to those who don't want to have a background check. Like I said here in Az. you can sell your guns to anyone as long as it's a resident of the State.
Why pay a licensed dealer to sell your gun when you can sell it via Craiglist, Backpage, whatever and get more money for it at that?
So my plan calls it voluntary compensation for those who choose not to license their semi-auto and/automatic weapons.
And now agreeing with me that such is completely unnecessary.
One can already sell their undesired weapons. No need for a new government plan to take over normal commerce.
not to mention filthy with Russkie $$
I think alot of outside influence try to divide the American public. Unfortunately the Republican voter metric is written to take advantage of this division.
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Under Heller , the landmark 2008 SCOTUS decision that, for the first time in US history established a right to own a gun, the majority still held that gun rights aren't absolute and that the states and the Federal government still had the Constitutional authority to restrict the types of weapons available to the general public and establish rules for gun ownership such as licensing and registration.
It's an an incorrect assumption that any American who wants a gun gets one regardless of past histories of mental illness or violent crime because the Second Amendment says so.
Legislatures have the power to prevent many of these mass shootings in the future. They just refuse to use that power.
The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
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"The Second Amendment was added because in order to maintain a free state the people must have the right to keep and bear arms, "armed citizens is what keeps the government honest." The people wanted the Amendment because no government would try to take over with armed citizens."
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Or maybe it was Madison. Either way, neither Madison nor Adams ever at any point cared what the "people" wanted.
If you ever get the time, read Scalia's majority opinion in District of Columbia v. Heller . Keep in mind that up until Heller in 2008, no Supreme Court ever ruled that the Second Amendment established a right to gun ownership.
But, per the majority opinion in that case, governments at all level have the Constitutional right to impose many restrictions. Assault weapons bans are Constitutional. It's also Constitutional to strip gun rights for certain types of crimes and even civil offenses. Here in Allegheny County, in Pennsylvania, you can have all of your guns confiscated under a protection from abuse order. All Constitutional.
None of our rights are absolute. Not free speech, not freedom of religion, not protections against self-incrimination, and not gun ownership.
And remember, I'm just the messenger here. Keeping my own opinions to myself.
The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
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True assault weapons - by definition those possessing selective fire capability - were highly regulated in 1934 with the NFA following gang related crime.
For the past eighty years, the ability to purchase a "battlefield" gun has been restricted.
Clinton's misnamed ban from 1994 , however, was entirely based upon cosmetic criteria. Pick two:
Ironically, while Armalite derived guns were included - at least until those cosmetic features were removed - a semi-automatic rifle from Ruger using the same .223 or 7.62x39 round was not included. Why? It wasn't black!
and make the ban much broader the old one. That's the point. There's a perception that the Second Amendment is absolute and that any restriction at all is un-Constitutional. At least absent another SCOTUS ruling, some restrictions are indeed Constitutional. Congress and the states could impose those restrictions without any changes to the Second Amendment.
All of this is conjecture because Congress won't even reinstate the Clinton-era ban. Even if the Democrats ditched the filibuster, such a ban is not likely to pass the Senate.
At any rate, like I said below, gun control measures of this type are pretty much reactions to things that happened in the distant past. They're not likely to stop mass shooters, or even cut down on the number of mass shootings. Dylann Roof used a 9 mm. handgun. The Sandy Hook guy was sitting on the arsenal his mother had collected over the years. Absent an AR-15, he'd have chosen something else just as lethal. The gun itself was irrelevant, which is 180-degrees opposite how legit gun owners and collectors think. It was just a tool, a way he could get into that school and kill people.
Criminal background checks are Constitutional but they aren't going to stop future Sandy Hooks. At least IMO.
The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
Nt.
Mark in NC
"The thought that life could be better is woven indelibly into our hearts and our brains" -Paul Simon
others here have correctly pointed out that most gun deaths are suicide ... and suicide / murder, but usually via handgun ... those are tragic but they're small scale tragedies and nearly impossible to stop ... though there are measures available to at least impact those stats positively
it's getting the mass shootings quelled, and the figures don't lie
as you've pointed out a few times, 'assault weapon' bans did have a positive impact reducing mass shootings ... so reinstate it, easy peasy
most of the voters approve of this and I say damn the arguments against it by lobbyist, politicians, and the ammo-sexuals
with regards,
if you read the proposals by the 'current guy' they make pretty good sense and have the broadest level of support for reforms seen in a long time
I find a few that don't sit well but they're not deal breakers
there's a reason for receivers in weapons being serialized and under current law a gunsmith that can't account for them in inventory gets their license jacked ... so the 'ghost gun' portion makes perfect sense to me
closing the 'gun show loophole' is just common sense; ie: in N. Carolina
there's a three day window for FBI background checks, if it's not met the sale goes through anyway ... that's just stupid ... especially in light of a weakened agency via staff attrition / reassignments
consistency in gun forfeiture rules also rings true, and I'm not understanding the objection to magazine limits ... when you hunt there's rarely a good second shot let alone five ... for home defense you rarely need all five, and since the best long rifle for this is a shotgun that's par for the course as far as rounds go ...
but as you say, several of those weapons used in mass shootings were bought legally and in close proximity time wise to the events ... but a more thorough screening process could have / might have weeded out a high risk actor, a magazine round limit demands reloads granting more time to gain cover
it's all worth a shot [so to speak] and there's actually bi-partisan support from the electorate so I think this should be reflected by those elected instead of subverting the will of the people for campaign funds
anyway, something effective has to be done and soon since thoughts and prayers just result in flags at half mast ... if even that gets done
regards,
Back in 1934! A semi-automatic rifle is not an "assault weapon" and is not used by any military force.
They're not likely to stop mass shooters, or even cut down on the number of mass shootings.
Confusing the issue with facts goes right over the heads of guys like O'Rourke. But... he cares . Ignore the fact that the 1994 ban was yet another trip down irrelevancy lane. And Biden wants to resurrect failure. What a guy!
for decades. AR-15-style semi-automatics have proven themselves to be very nearly as deadly, with few if any legitimate needs for civilian use, and with some decent political will and common sense, could be just as legally and successfully banned. Wanting to be the biggest badass on the block is not a valid reason for owning one of these horrible things that have inflicted so much carnage on the innocent while accomplishing almost nothing legally useful. People can still have their normal weaponry for hunting and rational self-defense needs.
Mark in NC
"The thought that life could be better is woven indelibly into our hearts and our brains" -Paul Simon
Actually, that's not entirely true. Highly regulated and difficult to obtain the necessary stamp for use, yes. Banned? No.
The 1934 NFA provides a pathway for ownership. Along with the use of silencers which is something I've considered getting for audiophile reasons!
with few if any legitimate needs for civilian use
Exactly how is that determined? The Ruger Mini 14 Ranch rifle has been very useful in its intended role for nearly forty years - using the same .223 caliber round found in Armalite based rifles.
Even it is not powerful enough for hunting many game. There are ten states which ban the use of a small caliber rifle for deer hunting.
and the political reality compels them to do something. So I don't blame Biden or any of the others. There's a line from an old Simpsons episode about the "never give up, never think things through" spirit of our people, always springs to my mind. The knee jerks, get out of the way or get kicked.
What it would take is, you want to buy a gun, the state sends actual human beings out to interview people you know, people you've worked with, etc. Even that wouldn't stop all mass shootings but it might stop some.
It's pure fantasy of course. The resources aren't there and Americans would resent the intrusion into their private lives even though they have no reservations about posting every detail of their private lives on Facebook.
We'd be much better served if we could find out why there are people who harbor enough rage to pick up a gun and kill a boatload of strangers. But that's hard, takes time, requires nuance, and the results won't be cut and dried/black and white. By the time enough data has been collected, the public will have moved on to the next crisis.
The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
Even that wouldn't stop all mass shootings but it might stop some.
While any loss of life is sad, few understand where the numbers of gun related deaths really lie.
As of 2018, suicides represented 60% of the total (~24k) while murders using firearms accounted for 37% (~14k). So how many of that number were due to cases like we've recently seen?
According to FBI criteria , there were 85 deaths resulting from "active shooter incidents", a category they regularly track. By comparison, there were 20 deaths resulting from lightning strikes!
And rifles of any kind are used in only 4% of those crimes. Folks don't want to address where the real numbers are found - handgun use in gang and drug related crime.
a 'blended' strategy is needed & it hasn't always been this way, remember?
it seems like a long time ago in a far away place but still ....
I remember
regards,
I'm mulling over 'The Adak Solution'....
3x felons? Allowed to liquidate assets, buy whatever they want (limited firearms) and are than shipped FOREVER to Adak Island Alaska. Buy the place out, if that's what it takes. Than? Patrol boats in summer. Winter? Forget it! HIGHEST temp on record IN SUMMER is 73f.
Let the 'inmates' administer their OWN affairs. Drop MREs from a plane, as needed. Shooting at THAT plane will result in airstrikes.
Military will be responsible for whatever security is needed. No Private boats allowed near the place and they'll get SUNK on sight. Escape from island (It should be inherently even MORE secure than Alcatraz) is a capital offense.
Gun owners should be compelled to buy a LOCK BOX.....but not of the 'biometric' type for which a hundred videos exist on line to open 'em by 12 year olds with paper clips. And than the BATTERY runs out when you actually NEED the firearm. And YES, hold the parent responsible. Enforce current law would be a decent start.
Too much is never enough
But even the mildest background check legislation failed to pass the Senate. Bi-partisan sponsorship (Pat Toomey and Joe Manchin) in the wake Sandy Hook.
Actually, the bill never came up for a vote because of the filibuster. It would likely have passed otherwise.
The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
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I'm sorry......I don't completely understand?
There ARE background check laws and they are enforced.
From the look of the link, it is enforced by the FBI
California wait period is also enforced, to you can't get mad, than go buy a gun.......I think the wait period is 2 weeks?
AND in California? You must also have a (EASY to get) Handgun Safety Certificate.....I think the test and fees total 20$ or 25$ fot this which is NEEDED to even start your paperwork.
and here in California? NO GunShow 'loophole'. And fewer and fewer gunshows. I went to one once to buy FITTED EARPLUGS to save my hearing while taking woodshop classes. Worth the cost.
Too much is never enough
Only licensed gun dealers need to perform criminal background checks. And they aren't very thorough. The spa shooter in Georgia, from what I've read, got his gun the same day he shot up the massage parlors.
The Manchin-Toomey bill would have required background checks for Internet sales and sales at gun shows. You would still have been able to give a gun to your spouse or kids without a background check. It even reiterated a ban on any national gun registry. Pretty small beer but it died without a vote.
FWIW, I don't think it would have worked. Crazy as it sounds, the problem isn't criminals with guns; some idiot who holds up a 7-11 isn't a mass shooter.
It should go without saying that passionate gun freaks and casual "I've got one for self-defense" folks are not the problem either. Anybody who fetishizes his AR-15 the way I do my LP collection isn't a mass shooter.
There's something endemic to the US, something in our socio-economic system that causes rage and depersonalization. We have higher levels of mental illness than the rest of the industrialized world as well. The two most common types of mass shootings are a) a guy who was known to be a dangerous nut, who scared most of the people who knew him, gets a gun and goes into a school/shopping mall/former workplace and starts killing people, saving the last bullet for himself, or b) guy with a history of domestic abuse gets a gun and kills his ex-wife, their kids, her parents, her new BF, then himself. Criminal background checks probably won't make a dent.
Our gun control laws are stuck in 1968, designed to prevent muggings and armed robberies that were common 50 years ago but are far less common today.
Maybe instead of criminal background checks, maybe it should be more like applying for security clearance. Talk to family members and employers instead of the local court system.
Of course, that has about as much chance of happening as me looking like Jon Hamm.
The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
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CA RIGEROUSLY enforces pre-sale checks. And you must go thru the SAME procedure should you want to buy something that shoots.....at a Gun Show.
Same Day? Even I have a problem with that.
Problem is, as I see it that you can get a gun in nearly any big city without ANY checks. And you don't even have to be 'of age' or a citizen or even human, apparently.
Nut-jobs typically leave a trail. IF ENFORCED uniformly, I'd be willing to give the current background check system a 50-state go. right now? only 30 states use the FBI system! Make getting an FFL conditional o USING the FBI system as a check and THAN perform audits. As needed.
ANYONE selling to a minor or 'restricted' person should be taken to task and given my 'Adak solution'.
Too much is never enough
So does Chicago. The problem for Chicago is that it's close to Indiana which is pretty lax. Pittsburgh tried to adopt NYC type background checks and the Commonwealth passed a preemption law forbidding cities to have gun laws that were any different from state laws.
New York is more successful because PA is kind of strict and so is New Jersey. New Jersey nearly mandated that only smart guns would be sold in the state's gun shops.
Remember when Plaxico Burress accidentally shot himself in the leg? He ended up doing jail time because the gun wasn't registered. From what I've read, you live in New York City, you want to register a gun, the cops go out and talk to your neighbors, co-workers, and family before they issue the permit.
Brandon Hole, the guy who shot up FedEx in Indianapolis, he was known to authorities. He already had a shotgun confiscated. It'll be interesting to see how he acquired the rifle he used yesterday but in some states, people with histories of mental illness and domestic violence are still allowed to buy guns.
Filling out a form in a gun shop isn't going to stop guys like Brandon Hole or Dylan Roof. The NYC style of background checks would be best but again, I have a better chance of waking up 30 years younger tomorrow than Congress doing anything meaningful to address mass shootings.
The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
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You're trying to say that chicago has an 'imported gun' problem? From Indiana?
Smart Guns, as near as I can tell, don't actually exist yet in a commerially viable form.
CA wanted all guns to 'stamp' a uniqute identifer on shell casings, but THAT is pretty much beyond current manufacturable tech.
FBI System has a reasonable denial rate AND is thorough. Too bad only 30 states and some additional territories use it. I wonder the result if it were a universal system?
Too much is never enough
copy this to paste & post the next time it happens
because it will
it will save time
regards,
as I've posted over and over here before, will you put on a uniform and help go after the hundreds of millions of weapons already in the hands of the populace?
Will you vote to empower the authorities to conduct searches and seizures?
I'm waiting.
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Do you own any guns?
You suggest an extreme scenario to suggest no alterations to the 2nd Amendment would work. There are many things that would provide meaningful reduction in gun deaths if people would just stop the all-or-nothing rhetoric.
More guns of course.
"It was zero threat, right from the start, it was zero threat" Alfred E. Neuman
Is the ratio of offensive to defensive firearm discharges (at other people). I would bet that firearms actually being used to defend against gun-wielding threats are actually very rare, and the 'I have it for my own protection' crowd are fooling themselves. That, and pulling a gun to defend yourself is very likely to get you shot first, because you have just raised the stakes to a lethal level.
No, Mr. Pence, 'The Handmaid's Tale' is not a documentary about the good old days.
"Is the ratio of offensive to defensive firearm discharges (at other people). I would bet that firearms actually being used to defend against gun-wielding threats are actually very rare, and the 'I have it for my own protection' crowd are fooling themselves. That, and pulling a gun to defend yourself is very likely to get you shot first, because you have just raised the stakes to a lethal level."Let's review: You don't know, so you surmise, guess, assume, (bet), based on your own political pre-disposition. Have I got that right?
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We are inclusive and diverse. But dissent will not be tolerated.
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Thar ya go agin 51. Askin' a question but never answering any questions directed at you. "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds"
"It was zero threat, right from the start, it was zero threat" Alfred E. Neuman
he seems a bit... confounded and obviously has comprehension issues so
needs that wee bit of ego boost to sustain his priceless input here.
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
Are you a dick by nature, or do you have to practice?
No, Mr. Pence, 'The Handmaid's Tale' is not a documentary about the good old days.
Hahahahaha!!
Yes, you can ask me a question. Duh, it's an Internet forum where a person can expect pretty much anything, but I understand your question.
Saying that I'm a "dick" is an insult to anyone who has high standards and doesn't tolerate crap, bullshit, or poor performance.
I do expect a high level of performance from people, including myself. Maybe that makes me a "dick".
Replying to your innane idiotic misguided posts is a chore, but a necessary chore, if we are to maintain a reasonably intelligent and functional society. Just doing my little part.
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We are inclusive and diverse. But dissent will not be tolerated.
I've been critical of the Trump presidency these last four years, and am still exhausted from the experience. But to be fair, President Trump wasn't that bad, other than when he incited an insurrection against the government, mismanaged a pandemic that killed nearly half a million Americans, separated children from their families, lost those children in the bureaucracy, tear-gassed peaceful protesters on Lafayette Square so he could hold a photo op holding a Bible in front of a church, tried to block all Muslims from entering the country, got impeached, got impeached again, had the worst jobs record of any president in modern history, pressured Ukraine to dig dirt on Joe Biden, fired the FBI director for investigating his ties to Russia, bragged about firing the FBI director on TV, took Vladimir Putin's word over the US intelligence community, diverted military funding to build his wall, caused the longest government shutdown in US history, called Black Lives Matter a "symbol of hate," lied nearly 30,000 times, banned transgender people from serving in the military, ejected reporters from the White House briefing room who asked tough questions, vetoed the defense funding bill because it renamed military bases named for Confederate soldiers, refused to release his tax returns, increased the national debt by nearly $8 trillion, had three of the highest annual trade deficits in U.S. history, called veterans and soldiers who died in combat losers and suckers, coddled the leader of Saudi Arabia after he ordered the execution and dismembering of a US-based journalist, refused to concede the 2020 election, hired his unqualified daughter and son-in-law to work in the White House, walked out of an interview with Lesley Stahl, called neo-Nazis "very fine people," suggested that people should inject bleach into their bodies to fight COVID, abandoned our allies the Kurds to Turkey, pushed through massive tax cuts for the wealthiest but balked at helping working Americans, incited anti-lockdown protestors in several states at the height of the pandemic, withdrew the US from the Paris climate accords, withdrew the US from the Iranian nuclear deal, withdrew the US from the Trans Pacific Partnership which was designed to block China's advances, insulted his own Cabinet members on Twitter, pushed the leader of Montenegro out of the way during a photo op, failed to reiterate US commitment to defending NATO allies, called Haiti and African nations "shithole" countries, called the city of Baltimore the "worst in the nation," claimed that he single handedly brought back the phrase "Merry Christmas" even though it hadn't gone anywhere, forced his Cabinet members to praise him publicly like some cult leader, believed he should be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, berated and belittled his hand-picked Attorney General when he recused himself from the Russia probe, suggested the US should buy Greenland, colluded with Mitch McConnell to push through federal judges and two Supreme Court justices after supporting efforts to prevent his predecessor from appointing judges, repeatedly called the media "enemies of the people," claimed that if we tested fewer people for COVID we'd have fewer cases, violated the emoluments clause, thought that Nambia was a country, told Bob Woodward in private that the coronavirus was a big deal but then downplayed it in public, called his exceedingly faithful vice president a "p---y" for following the Constitution, nearly got us into a war with Iran after threatening them by tweet, nominated a corrupt head of the EPA, nominated a corrupt head of HHS, nominated a corrupt head of the Interior Department, nominated a corrupt head of the USDA, praised dictators and authoritarians around the world while criticizing allies, refused to allow the presidential transition to begin, insulted war hero John McCain - even after his death, spent an obscene amount of time playing golf after criticizing Barack Obama for playing (far less) golf while president, falsely claimed that he won the 2016 popular vote, called the Muslim mayor of London a "stone cold loser," falsely claimed that he turned down being Time's Man of the Year, considered firing special counsel Robert Mueller on several occasions, mocked wearing face masks to guard against transmitting COVID, locked Congress out of its constitutional duty to confirm Cabinet officials by hiring acting ones, used a racist dog whistle by calling COVID the "China virus," hired and associated with numerous shady figures that were eventually convicted of federal offenses including his campaign manager and national security adviser, pardoned several of his shady associates, gave the Presidential Medal of Freedom to two congressman who amplified his batshit crazy conspiracy theories, got into telephone fight with the leader of Australia(!), had a Secretary of State who called him a moron, forced his press secretary to claim without merit that his was the largest inauguration crowd in history, botched the COVID vaccine rollout, tweeted so much dangerous propaganda that Twitter eventually banned him, charged the Secret Service jacked-up rates at his properties, constantly interrupted Joe Biden in their first presidential debate, claimed that COVID would "magically" disappear, called a U.S. Senator "Pocahontas," used his Twitter account to blast Nordstrom when it stopped selling Ivanka's merchandise, opened up millions of pristine federal lands to development and drilling, got into a losing tariff war with China that forced US taxpayers to bail out farmers, claimed that his losing tariff war was a win for the US, ignored or didn't even take part in daily intelligence briefings, blew off honoring American war dead in France because it was raining, redesigned Air Force One to look like the Trump Shuttle, got played by Kim Jung Un and his "love letters," threatened to go after social media companies in clear violation of the Constitution, botched the response to Hurricane Maria in Puerto Rico, threw paper towels at Puerto Ricans when he finally visited them, pressured the governor and secretary of state of Georgia to "find" him votes, thought that the Virgin islands had a President, drew on a map with a Sharpie to justify his inaccurate tweet that Alabama was threatened by a hurricane, allowed White House staff to use personal email accounts for official businesses after blasting Hillary Clinton for doing the same thing, rolled back regulations that protected the public from mercury and asbestos, pushed regulators to waste time studying snake-oil remedies for COVID, rolled back regulations that stopped coal companies from dumping waste into rivers, held blatant campaign rallies at the White House, tried to take away millions of Americans' health insurance because the law was named for a Black man, refused to attend his successors' inauguration, nominated the worst Education Secretary in history, threatened judges who didn't do what he wanted, attacked Dr. Anthony Fauci, promised that Mexico would pay for the wall (it didn't), allowed political hacks to overrule government scientists on major reports on climate change and other issues, struggled navigating a ramp after claiming his opponent was feeble, called an African-American Congresswoman "low IQ," threatened to withhold federal aid from states and cities with Democratic leaders, went ahead with rallies filled with maskless supporters in the middle of a pandemic, claimed that legitimate investigations of his wrongdoing were "witch hunts," seemed to demonstrate a belief that there were airports during the American Revolution, demanded "total loyalty" from the FBI director, praised a conspiracy theory that Democrats are Satanic pedophiles, completely gutted the Voice of America, placed a political hack in charge of the Postal Service, claimed without evidence that the Obama administration bugged Trump Tower, suggested that the US should allow more people from places like Norway into the country, suggested that COVID wasn't that bad because he recovered with the help of top government doctors and treatments not available to the public, overturned energy conservation standards that even industry supported, reduced the number of refugees the US accepts, insulted various members of Congress and the media with infantile nicknames, gave Rush Limbaugh a Presidential medal of Freedom at the State of the Union address, named as head of federal personnel a 29-year old who'd previously been fired from the White House for allegations of financial improprieties, eliminated the White House office of pandemic response, used soldiers as campaign props, fired any advisor who made the mistake of disagreeing with him, demanded the Pentagon throw him a Soviet-style military parade, hired a shit ton of white nationalists, politicized the civil service, did absolutely nothing after Russia hacked the U.S. government, falsely said the Boy Scouts called him to say his bizarre Jamboree speech was the best speech ever given to the Scouts, claimed that Black people would overrun the suburbs if Biden won, insulted reporters of color, insulted women reporters, insulted women reporters of color, suggested he was fine with China's oppression of the Uighurs, attacked the Supreme Court when it ruled against him, summoned Pennsylvania state legislative leaders to the White House to pressure them to overturn the election, spent countless hours every day watching Fox News, refused to allow his administration to comply with Congressional subpoenas, hired Rudy Giuliani as his lawyer, tried to punish Amazon because the Jeff Bezos-owned Washington Post wrote negative stories about him, acted as if the Attorney General of the United States was his personal attorney, attempted to get the federal government to defend him in a libel lawsuit from a women who accused him of sexual assault, held private meetings with Vladimir Putin without staff present, didn't disclose his private meetings with Vladimir Putin so that the US had to find out via Russian media, stopped holding press briefings for months at a time, "ordered" US companies to leave China even though he has no such power, led a political party that couldn't even be bothered to draft a policy platform, claimed preposterously that Article II of the Constitution gave him absolute powers, tried to pressure the U.K. to hold the British Open at his golf course, suggested that the government nuke hurricanes, suggested that wind turbines cause cancer, said that he had a special aptitude for science, fired the head of election cyber security after he said that the 2020 election was secure, blurted out classified information to Russian officials, tried to force the G7 to hold their meeting at his failing golf resort in Florida, fired the acting attorney general when she refused to go along with his unconstitutional Muslim travel ban, hired Stephen Miller, openly discussed national security issues in the dining room at Mar-a-Lago where everyone could hear them, interfered with plans to relocate the FBI because a new development there might compete with his hotel, abandoned Iraqi refugees who'd helped the U.S. during the war, tried to get Russia back into the G7, held a COVID super spreader event in the Rose Garden, seemed to believe that Frederick Douglass is still alive, lost 60 election fraud cases in court including before judges he had nominated, falsely claimed that factories were reopening when they weren't, shamelessly exploited terror attacks in Europe to justify his anti-immigrant policies, still hasn't come up with a healthcare plan, still hasn't come up with an infrastructure plan despite repeated "Infrastructure Weeks," forced Secret Service agents to drive him around Walter Reed while contagious with COVID, told the Proud Boys to "stand back and stand by," fucked up the Census, withdrew the U.S. from the World Health Organization in the middle of a pandemic, did so few of his duties that his press staff were forced to state on his daily schedule "President Trump will work from early in the morning until late in the evening. He will make many calls and have many meetings," allowed his staff to repeatedly violate the Hatch Act, seemed not to know that Abraham Lincoln was a Republican, stood before sacred CIA wall of heroes and bragged about his election win, constantly claimed he was treated worse than any president which presumably includes four that were assassinated and his predecessor whose legitimacy and birthplace were challenged by a racist reality TV show star named Donald Trump, claimed Andrew Jackson could've stopped the Civil War even though he died 16 years before it happened, said that any opinion poll showing him behind was fake, claimed that other countries laughed at us before he became president when several world leaders were literally laughing at him, claimed that the military was out of ammunition before he became President, created a commission to whitewash American history, retweeted anti-Islam videos from one of the most racist people in Britain, claimed ludicrously that the Pulse nightclub shooting wouldn't have happened if someone there had a gun even though there was an armed security guard there, hired a senior staffer who cited the non-existent Bowling Green Massacre as a reason to ban Muslims, had a press secretary who claimed that Nazi Germany never used chemical weapons even though every sane human being knows they used gas to kill millions of Jews and others, bilked the Secret Service for higher than market rates when they had to stay at Trump properties, apparently sold pardons on his way out of the White House, stripped protective status from 59,000 Haitians, falsely claimed Biden wanted to defund the police, said that the head of the CDC didn't know what he was talking about, tried to rescind protection from DREAMers, gave himself an A+ for his handling of the pandemic, tried to start a boycott of Goodyear tires due to an Internet hoax, said U.S. rates of COVID would be lower if you didn't count blue states, deported U.S. veterans who served their country but were undocumented, claimed he did more for African Americans than any president since Lincoln, touted a "super-duper" secret "hydrosonic" missile which may or may not be a new "hypersonic" missile or may not exist at all, retweeted a gif calling Biden a pedophile, forced through security clearances for his family, suggested that police officers should rough up suspects, suggested that Biden was on performance-enhancing drugs, tried to stop transgender students from being able to use school bathrooms in line with their gender, suggested the US not accept COVID patients from a cruise ship because it would make US numbers look higher, nominated a climate change sceptic to chair the committee advising the White House on environmental policy, retweeted a video doctored to look like Biden had played a song called "Fuck tha Police" at a campaign event, hugged a disturbingly large number of U.S. flags, accused Democrats of "treason" for not applauding his State of the Union address, claimed that the FBI failed to capture the Parkland school shooter because they were "spending too much time" on Russia, mocked the testimony of Dr Christine Blasey Ford when she accused Brett Kavanaugh of sexual assault, obsessed over low-flow toilets, ordered the rerelease of more COVID vaccines when there weren't any to release, called for the construction of a bizarre garden of heroes with statutes of famous dead Americans as well as at least one Canadian (Alex Trebek), hijacked Washington's July 4th celebrations to give a partisan speech, took advice from the MyPillow guy, claimed that migrants seeking a better life in the US were dangerous caravans of drug dealers and rapists, said nothing when Vladimir Putin poisoned a leading opposition figure, never seemed to heed the advice of his wife's "Be Best" campaign, falsely claimed that mail-in voting is fraudulent, announced a precipitous withdrawal of troops from Syria which not only handed Russia and ISIS a win but also prompted his defense secretary to resign in protest, insulted the leader of Canada, insulted the leader of France, insulted the leader of Britain, insulted the leader of Germany, insulted the leader of Sweden (Sweden!!), falsely claimed credit for getting NATO members to increase their share of dues, blew off two Asia summits even though they were held virtually, continued lying about spending lots of time at Ground Zero with 9/11 responders, said that the Japanese would sit back and watch their "Sony televisions" if the US were ever attacked, left a NATO summit early in a huff, stared directly into an eclipse even though everyone over the age of 5 knows not to do that, called himself a very stable genius despite significant evidence to the contrary, refused to commit to a peaceful transfer of power and kept his promise, and a whole bunch of other things I can't remember at the moment.
But other than that. . . 🤷🏽♀️
"It was zero threat, right from the start, it was zero threat" Alfred E. Neuman
"I've been critical of the Trump presidency these last four years, and am still exhausted from the experience. But to be fair, President Trump wasn't that bad, other than when he incited an insurrection against the government, mismanaged a pandemic that killed nearly half a million Americans, separated children from their families, lost those children in the bureaucracy, tear-gassed peaceful protesters on Lafayette Square so he could hold a photo op holding a Bible in front of a church, tried to block all Muslims from entering the country, got impeached, got impeached again, had the worst jobs record of any president in modern history, pressured Ukraine to dig dirt on Joe Biden, fired the FBI director for investigating his ties to Russia, bragged about firing the FBI director on TV, took Vladimir Putin's word over the US intelligence community, diverted military funding to build his wall, caused the longest government shutdown in US history, called Black Lives Matter a "symbol of hate," lied nearly 30,000 times, banned transgender people from serving in the military, ejected reporters from the White House briefing room who asked tough questions, vetoed the defense funding bill because it renamed military bases named for Confederate soldiers, refused to release his tax returns, increased the national debt by nearly $8 trillion, had three of the highest annual trade deficits in U.S. history, called veterans and soldiers who died in combat losers and suckers, coddled the leader of Saudi Arabia after he ordered the execution and dismembering of a US-based journalist, refused to concede the 2020 election, hired his unqualified daughter and son-in-law to work in the White House, walked out of an interview with Lesley Stahl, called neo-Nazis "very fine people," suggested that people should inject bleach into their bodies to fight COVID, abandoned our allies the Kurds to Turkey, pushed through massive tax cuts for the wealthiest but balked at helping working Americans, incited anti-lockdown protestors in several states at the height of the pandemic, withdrew the US from the Paris climate accords, withdrew the US from the Iranian nuclear deal, withdrew the US from the Trans Pacific Partnership which was designed to block China's advances, insulted his own Cabinet members on Twitter, pushed the leader of Montenegro out of the way during a photo op, failed to reiterate US commitment to defending NATO allies, called Haiti and African nations "shithole" countries, called the city of Baltimore the "worst in the nation," claimed that he single handedly brought back the phrase "Merry Christmas" even though it hadn't gone anywhere, forced his Cabinet members to praise him publicly like some cult leader, believed he should be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, berated and belittled his hand-picked Attorney General when he recused himself from the Russia probe, suggested the US should buy Greenland, colluded with Mitch McConnell to push through federal judges and two Supreme Court justices after supporting efforts to prevent his predecessor from appointing judges, repeatedly called the media "enemies of the people," claimed that if we tested fewer people for COVID we'd have fewer cases, violated the emoluments clause, thought that Nambia was a country, told Bob Woodward in private that the coronavirus was a big deal but then downplayed it in public, called his exceedingly faithful vice president a "p---y" for following the Constitution, nearly got us into a war with Iran after threatening them by tweet, nominated a corrupt head of the EPA, nominated a corrupt head of HHS, nominated a corrupt head of the Interior Department, nominated a corrupt head of the USDA, praised dictators and authoritarians around the world while criticizing allies, refused to allow the presidential transition to begin, insulted war hero John McCain - even after his death, spent an obscene amount of time playing golf after criticizing Barack Obama for playing (far less) golf while president, falsely claimed that he won the 2016 popular vote, called the Muslim mayor of London a "stone cold loser," falsely claimed that he turned down being Time's Man of the Year, considered firing special counsel Robert Mueller on several occasions, mocked wearing face masks to guard against transmitting COVID, locked Congress out of its constitutional duty to confirm Cabinet officials by hiring acting ones, used a racist dog whistle by calling COVID the "China virus," hired and associated with numerous shady figures that were eventually convicted of federal offenses including his campaign manager and national security adviser, pardoned several of his shady associates, gave the Presidential Medal of Freedom to two congressman who amplified his batshit crazy conspiracy theories, got into telephone fight with the leader of Australia(!), had a Secretary of State who called him a moron, forced his press secretary to claim without merit that his was the largest inauguration crowd in history, botched the COVID vaccine rollout, tweeted so much dangerous propaganda that Twitter eventually banned him, charged the Secret Service jacked-up rates at his properties, constantly interrupted Joe Biden in their first presidential debate, claimed that COVID would "magically" disappear, called a U.S. Senator "Pocahontas," used his Twitter account to blast Nordstrom when it stopped selling Ivanka's merchandise, opened up millions of pristine federal lands to development and drilling, got into a losing tariff war with China that forced US taxpayers to bail out farmers, claimed that his losing tariff war was a win for the US, ignored or didn't even take part in daily intelligence briefings, blew off honoring American war dead in France because it was raining, redesigned Air Force One to look like the Trump Shuttle, got played by Kim Jung Un and his "love letters," threatened to go after social media companies in clear violation of the Constitution, botched the response to Hurricane Maria in Puerto Rico, threw paper towels at Puerto Ricans when he finally visited them, pressured the governor and secretary of state of Georgia to "find" him votes, thought that the Virgin islands had a President, drew on a map with a Sharpie to justify his inaccurate tweet that Alabama was threatened by a hurricane, allowed White House staff to use personal email accounts for official businesses after blasting Hillary Clinton for doing the same thing, rolled back regulations that protected the public from mercury and asbestos, pushed regulators to waste time studying snake-oil remedies for COVID, rolled back regulations that stopped coal companies from dumping waste into rivers, held blatant campaign rallies at the White House, tried to take away millions of Americans' health insurance because the law was named for a Black man, refused to attend his successors' inauguration, nominated the worst Education Secretary in history, threatened judges who didn't do what he wanted, attacked Dr. Anthony Fauci, promised that Mexico would pay for the wall (it didn't), allowed political hacks to overrule government scientists on major reports on climate change and other issues, struggled navigating a ramp after claiming his opponent was feeble, called an African-American Congresswoman "low IQ," threatened to withhold federal aid from states and cities with Democratic leaders, went ahead with rallies filled with maskless supporters in the middle of a pandemic, claimed that legitimate investigations of his wrongdoing were "witch hunts," seemed to demonstrate a belief that there were airports during the American Revolution, demanded "total loyalty" from the FBI director, praised a conspiracy theory that Democrats are Satanic pedophiles, completely gutted the Voice of America, placed a political hack in charge of the Postal Service, claimed without evidence that the Obama administration bugged Trump Tower, suggested that the US should allow more people from places like Norway into the country, suggested that COVID wasn't that bad because he recovered with the help of top government doctors and treatments not available to the public, overturned energy conservation standards that even industry supported, reduced the number of refugees the US accepts, insulted various members of Congress and the media with infantile nicknames, gave Rush Limbaugh a Presidential medal of Freedom at the State of the Union address, named as head of federal personnel a 29-year old who'd previously been fired from the White House for allegations of financial improprieties, eliminated the White House office of pandemic response, used soldiers as campaign props, fired any advisor who made the mistake of disagreeing with him, demanded the Pentagon throw him a Soviet-style military parade, hired a shit ton of white nationalists, politicized the civil service, did absolutely nothing after Russia hacked the U.S. government, falsely said the Boy Scouts called him to say his bizarre Jamboree speech was the best speech ever given to the Scouts, claimed that Black people would overrun the suburbs if Biden won, insulted reporters of color, insulted women reporters, insulted women reporters of color, suggested he was fine with China's oppression of the Uighurs, attacked the Supreme Court when it ruled against him, summoned Pennsylvania state legislative leaders to the White House to pressure them to overturn the election, spent countless hours every day watching Fox News, refused to allow his administration to comply with Congressional subpoenas, hired Rudy Giuliani as his lawyer, tried to punish Amazon because the Jeff Bezos-owned Washington Post wrote negative stories about him, acted as if the Attorney General of the United States was his personal attorney, attempted to get the federal government to defend him in a libel lawsuit from a women who accused him of sexual assault, held private meetings with Vladimir Putin without staff present, didn't disclose his private meetings with Vladimir Putin so that the US had to find out via Russian media, stopped holding press briefings for months at a time, "ordered" US companies to leave China even though he has no such power, led a political party that couldn't even be bothered to draft a policy platform, claimed preposterously that Article II of the Constitution gave him absolute powers, tried to pressure the U.K. to hold the British Open at his golf course, suggested that the government nuke hurricanes, suggested that wind turbines cause cancer, said that he had a special aptitude for science, fired the head of election cyber security after he said that the 2020 election was secure, blurted out classified information to Russian officials, tried to force the G7 to hold their meeting at his failing golf resort in Florida, fired the acting attorney general when she refused to go along with his unconstitutional Muslim travel ban, hired Stephen Miller, openly discussed national security issues in the dining room at Mar-a-Lago where everyone could hear them, interfered with plans to relocate the FBI because a new development there might compete with his hotel, abandoned Iraqi refugees who'd helped the U.S. during the war, tried to get Russia back into the G7, held a COVID super spreader event in the Rose Garden, seemed to believe that Frederick Douglass is still alive, lost 60 election fraud cases in court including before judges he had nominated, falsely claimed that factories were reopening when they weren't, shamelessly exploited terror attacks in Europe to justify his anti-immigrant policies, still hasn't come up with a healthcare plan, still hasn't come up with an infrastructure plan despite repeated "Infrastructure Weeks," forced Secret Service agents to drive him around Walter Reed while contagious with COVID, told the Proud Boys to "stand back and stand by," fucked up the Census, withdrew the U.S. from the World Health Organization in the middle of a pandemic, did so few of his duties that his press staff were forced to state on his daily schedule "President Trump will work from early in the morning until late in the evening. He will make many calls and have many meetings," allowed his staff to repeatedly violate the Hatch Act, seemed not to know that Abraham Lincoln was a Republican, stood before sacred CIA wall of heroes and bragged about his election win, constantly claimed he was treated worse than any president which presumably includes four that were assassinated and his predecessor whose legitimacy and birthplace were challenged by a racist reality TV show star named Donald Trump, claimed Andrew Jackson could've stopped the Civil War even though he died 16 years before it happened, said that any opinion poll showing him behind was fake, claimed that other countries laughed at us before he became president when several world leaders were literally laughing at him, claimed that the military was out of ammunition before he became President, created a commission to whitewash American history, retweeted anti-Islam videos from one of the most racist people in Britain, claimed ludicrously that the Pulse nightclub shooting wouldn't have happened if someone there had a gun even though there was an armed security guard there, hired a senior staffer who cited the non-existent Bowling Green Massacre as a reason to ban Muslims, had a press secretary who claimed that Nazi Germany never used chemical weapons even though every sane human being knows they used gas to kill millions of Jews and others, bilked the Secret Service for higher than market rates when they had to stay at Trump properties, apparently sold pardons on his way out of the White House, stripped protective status from 59,000 Haitians, falsely claimed Biden wanted to defund the police, said that the head of the CDC didn't know what he was talking about, tried to rescind protection from DREAMers, gave himself an A+ for his handling of the pandemic, tried to start a boycott of Goodyear tires due to an Internet hoax, said U.S. rates of COVID would be lower if you didn't count blue states, deported U.S. veterans who served their country but were undocumented, claimed he did more for African Americans than any president since Lincoln, touted a "super-duper" secret "hydrosonic" missile which may or may not be a new "hypersonic" missile or may not exist at all, retweeted a gif calling Biden a pedophile, forced through security clearances for his family, suggested that police officers should rough up suspects, suggested that Biden was on performance-enhancing drugs, tried to stop transgender students from being able to use school bathrooms in line with their gender, suggested the US not accept COVID patients from a cruise ship because it would make US numbers look higher, nominated a climate change sceptic to chair the committee advising the White House on environmental policy, retweeted a video doctored to look like Biden had played a song called "Fuck tha Police" at a campaign event, hugged a disturbingly large number of U.S. flags, accused Democrats of "treason" for not applauding his State of the Union address, claimed that the FBI failed to capture the Parkland school shooter because they were "spending too much time" on Russia, mocked the testimony of Dr Christine Blasey Ford when she accused Brett Kavanaugh of sexual assault, obsessed over low-flow toilets, ordered the rerelease of more COVID vaccines when there weren't any to release, called for the construction of a bizarre garden of heroes with statutes of famous dead Americans as well as at least one Canadian (Alex Trebek), hijacked Washington's July 4th celebrations to give a partisan speech, took advice from the MyPillow guy, claimed that migrants seeking a better life in the US were dangerous caravans of drug dealers and rapists, said nothing when Vladimir Putin poisoned a leading opposition figure, never seemed to heed the advice of his wife's "Be Best" campaign, falsely claimed that mail-in voting is fraudulent, announced a precipitous withdrawal of troops from Syria which not only handed Russia and ISIS a win but also prompted his defense secretary to resign in protest, insulted the leader of Canada, insulted the leader of France, insulted the leader of Britain, insulted the leader of Germany, insulted the leader of Sweden (Sweden!!), falsely claimed credit for getting NATO members to increase their share of dues, blew off two Asia summits even though they were held virtually, continued lying about spending lots of time at Ground Zero with 9/11 responders, said that the Japanese would sit back and watch their "Sony televisions" if the US were ever attacked, left a NATO summit early in a huff, stared directly into an eclipse even though everyone over the age of 5 knows not to do that, called himself a very stable genius despite significant evidence to the contrary, refused to commit to a peaceful transfer of power and kept his promise, and a whole bunch of other things I can't remember at the moment.
But other than that. . . "
Wow.
****
We are inclusive and diverse. But dissent will not be tolerated.
damn ... that's not an apology it's a filibuster
pretty exhaustive in preparation and certainly to read
I'm actually rather proud of you, brought a tear to this old SJW's eye
well done
Thanks rv but I can't take credit for it. Someone else did it. Keep a copy just in case.
"It was zero threat, right from the start, it was zero threat" Alfred E. Neuman
thanks for posting that... block.
Copied and saved!!!!
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
So much animosity!
I just copied what was posted by "tweaker456", for posterity.
****
We are inclusive and diverse. But dissent will not be tolerated.
Albeit a prince who didn't mind a little sexual assault once in a while.
No, Mr. Pence, 'The Handmaid's Tale' is not a documentary about the good old days.
Yep, 51 "doesn't tolerate crap, bullshit, or poor performance." I'm in Kaiser Hospital in San Bruno getting my cracked ribs rapped if anyone would like to visit me. Please wear a mask.
"It was zero threat, right from the start, it was zero threat" Alfred E. Neuman
A futile attempt to compensate for some missing attribute. Big truck, big gun, small manhood. Yee haw !!!
No, Mr. Pence, 'The Handmaid's Tale' is not a documentary about the good old days.
Don't you mean Gee Ha?
"It was zero threat, right from the start, it was zero threat" Alfred E. Neuman
If you are happy to be a dick, then I am happy to call you one if it makes you feel important. You sad little man.
No, Mr. Pence, 'The Handmaid's Tale' is not a documentary about the good old days.
"If you are happy to be a dick, then I am happy to call you one if it makes you feel important."
This is one of your problems, and why I rarely reply to your posts. You're unable to have a civil conversation with someone with whom you disagree. You have your dogma, and if someone disagrees, they're wrong.
Seriously, you should work on improving your interpersonal communications skills. There are classes for that, even college degrees.
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We are inclusive and diverse. But dissent will not be tolerated.
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No, Mr. Pence, 'The Handmaid's Tale' is not a documentary about the good old days.
you know, there's a few reason I like you Quadzilla ...
I'm still trying to figure out how / why we got off on the wrong foot
anyway, keep on keeping on
with regards,
I'd say both.
"It was zero threat, right from the start, it was zero threat" Alfred E. Neuman
"According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, almost every major study on defensive gun use has found that Americans use their firearms defensively between 500,000 and 3 million times each year. There's good reason to believe that most defensive gun uses are never reported to law enforcement, much less picked up by local or national media outlets."
Couldn't find a less biased source?
Between 500k and 3M? I'd say that stat is pretty worthless.
well - presenting CDC data.Since you clearly didn't follow the link, I'll help you out to the source of the data:
Click here for "CDC Study: Use of Firearms for Self-Defense is 'Important Crime Deterrent'"
Edits: 04/16/21
So, you read 500k to 3m and that sounded like scientific or something?
Especially when it's a study of other studies compiled by Institute of Medicine and the National Research Council, and not really thee CDC?
Or was the fact it was funded by Obama supposed to make it believable to me somehow?
a semblance of intelligent analysis of the data ?
Not!
Obviously, you have zero interest in reality.
so sayeth E-scut!
no intelligence to be found.
you're the one terrible with data scut ... didn't you claim there were 10M unregistered foreigners / 'aliens' living in the USA?
you pulled that number out of your ass just to make a typical half assed point didn't you! ass
didn't you claim there were 10M unregistered foreigners / 'aliens' living in the USA?
I referenced Pew Research data found here .
Do you understand?
of course I understand E-spin ... you understated your own argument!
that argument being 'we' couldn't afford 10M 'illegals' accessing free healthcare because that's what's wrong with healthcare in the USA
what makes you a liar is that your very own link showed 5.2M of them carried their own insurance ... further, that population in your data-set can't just waltz in and access all services available to those holding US citizenship ... which was also explained in the very link you provided
of course, many of the remainder simply don't try to get medical attention out of fear ... those that do are usually in critical shape or bring their children in, though I doubt your black heart cares
like I said, you shop your reality on the internet so you can 'spin' your bs ... or ... 'no substance' as you're so fond of saying
Of course I understand E-spin ... you understated your own argument!
It's difficult keeping up with your delusions since you never reference anything you say.
The only comment I've made about the number of illegal aliens is found here .
Do you need help understanding the meaning of the word "more"?
if you need a 'reference' to your own BS maybe you should stop spewing it
just as I thought ... no substance
do you read your own data?
liar
let's review what the DHS and Pew Research tell us:
"The last estimate released by the Office of Immigration Statistics at DHS came in December 2018: As of January 1, 2015, there were 11.96 million undocumented immigrants in the U.S. The most recent Pew Research estimate puts the total number of unauthorized immigrants at 10.5 million in 2017."
You really need to drop the doobie when you are attempting to appear intelligent.
Attack the man. That always works. Sloppy and lazy.
You're slipping.
in reality!
he probably just has an aversion to drek and spin, aka: your avocation
be well
of trusted sources for illegal alien data.
ah ... the tree in the forest non-response
well done!
Reality according estat?
I am absolutely proud I have no grasp of your bent, sad view of reality.
it's not a view it's a lens ... with filters, and if necessary, photoshop
Forget what DHS says about the matter! ;)
oh .. so it's not 10M ... the fact is the link you pointed to back then said 10.7M ... so you misstated the data
what else did you say that was wrong?
You really don't have a f***ing clue.
well I've got you all sussed out E-spin
I just don't regularly encounter truly clueless folks like you on a daily basis. ;)
you're too arrogant to know you've been bitch slapped E-spin
but I'm back to detente ... you sux go away
Wow. Such a hissy.
ignore reality.
Well done!
apparently you shop for your reality on the internet + make up statistics
aka ... 'spin'
or lies take your pick
apparently you shop for your reality on the internet + make up statistics
I cited CDC data from a presidential study.
You really need to start reading and drop the doobie.
As 'statistics' go, this one is pretty fast and loose. I call BS too.
No, Mr. Pence, 'The Handmaid's Tale' is not a documentary about the good old days.
Defensive used of handguns requires no shooting at all! Works like nuclear deterrence.
When someone discovers they brought a knife - or less - to a gun fight, I think you'll find most folks will reconsider their original plan. ;)
I asked about the "ratio of offensive to defensive firearm discharges". Do you understand now?
No, Mr. Pence, 'The Handmaid's Tale' is not a documentary about the good old days.
"a lot of lead flying around" as you opined in the defensive use of guns as it serves as a preventative source.Do you understand now?
The CDC data speaks for itself. At least for those who understand reality.
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No, Mr. Pence, 'The Handmaid's Tale' is not a documentary about the good old days.
Here is a post from way back that has always stuck in my head regarding morons who bring up if only there had been more armed people they could have made it turn out differently. Yeah! More innocent dead people is almost guaranteed. If the 25% at best number of hits under fire are accurate for SWAT teams just what do you suppose some "tough" guy with an overactive imagination is going to have as opposed SWAT teams. This whole discussion has gotten really, really old and thoughts and prayers just don't cut it for this anymore.
"Decades back, I had a long conversation with an LAPD SWAT team member....
Posted by darkmoebius (A) on December 21, 2010 at 22:17:42
In Reply to: The statistics of real shootouts is very sobering posted by Victor Khomenko on December 21, 2010 at 19:56:25:
They were on my college campus for career day recruiting(even though SWAT doesn't recruit). I asked him what their accuracy rate was under fire, he said 25%, at best. Much less most of the time. He was dead serious. His view was that most discharge was really suppressive fire to degrade an attackers will to fight and buy time until overwhelming support arrives.
So, it seems to me, that hitting an attacker/intruder for the rest of us is more luck than skill."
I'll be 90% or so at the 4 or 5 yards common INSIDE MY HOUSE......and using a comfortable .380
From across the street? or even 25 yards? drops a lot and fast.
Too much is never enough
I don't know what the solution is. I do think that in a country which loves guns as much as does the US perhaps these events are inevitable. So often following these events there are the usual expressions of sorrow, and the meaningless "thoughts and prayers". Following that, gun purchases often increase. I wonder sometimes if collectively we've decided that we'll tolerate these shootings rather than give up our guns. And even if gun ownership was banned for all except military and law enforcement would that fix the problem? No, I don't think it would. It's the wrong answer and would make criminals of those who have no intention of harming another human being. Added to that is the impossibility of enforcement.
When I say "we" and "our" I'm speaking very generally. I know there are exceptions. I don't hate guns or gun owners. But I see no end to these shootings.
Not to mention psychopathic and sociopathic brains. After which it's ultimately up to SCOTUS to decide if those brain-types should be free to own WMDs. Also, it may be possible one day to use gene splicing to modify brains with poor impulse control.
Until such time we prolly just gotta' try to survive in this bat shit lunatic asylum masquerading as the best place on earth.
"Horse sense is the thing a horse has which keeps it from betting on people. "
― W.C. Fields
Many of these guys (most are men) seek notoriety, and the media gives them the attention they crave. And I will say it. Get rid of guns. They are totally unnecessary in the general population, especially with the epidemic of mental instability.
No, Mr. Pence, 'The Handmaid's Tale' is not a documentary about the good old days.
But never mention their name - like the person in NZ who is in jail and was refused all requests for statements, interviews or anything that would ever mention him ever again.
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Yes, it should be reported. No, the offender should not be identified. The problem is that it is becoming an almost normal occurrence in that country, and constantly seeing it in the media almost puts in on par with which Kardashian is knocked up this time around. That desensitizes people to the tragedy.
By the way, Stephen, thank you again for the generous gift. I have a lot of listening to do on the weekend to make the lockdown more tolerable. Cheers!
No, Mr. Pence, 'The Handmaid's Tale' is not a documentary about the good old days.
All good.
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