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Look at the morbidity chart for age-groups. And, for those who say let it burn itself out among the "young folks:" Covid-19 is far more transmissive than flu. So those who say, in effect, "let nature take its course," believing the deaths among the younger citizenry will be minimal...
Here again, however, what is most troubling is the "let's all give up and see what happens" approach. Europe and Asia have solved this. Why would Americans say in essence, "let's just give up?"
Follow Ups:
For Colorado:
568 deaths due to FLU in 1 year 2019
1600+ deaths due to COVID19 in 4 months 2020.
And our COVID19 stats are much better than many states.
And we still have the politically biased defiants insisting that "it's just a flu" and the increased cases are due to testing. What about the increased ICU hospitalizations and deaths? Is that due to increased testing too?
Denial is not only a magnificent river.
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
I'm not sure I even buy their data and everyone knows that the virus is far more deathly for those over 65 with health problems.
The other problem even if the data is correct is that no one really knows the actual number if infections. Comparing COVID deaths with verified cases versus the flu where the infection rates is estimated gives you orders of magnitude differences.
For a site that claims to be Science Alert, it's a joke.
-Rod
the CDC.You need only "Google" correlation of flu and Covid-19 to get a myriad of scientific links showing the exponential difference in spread and mortality.
BTW, there is a difference in disease stats: flu deaths are only estimates because it's not a reportable disease.
So, you're saying, in effect: let this burn itself out. But Rod, our peer countries did NOT adopt that attitude and they're opening after long periods of little to no new infections. WHY can't we do that now?
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You can quibble with the numbers, but during flu season we don't see hospitals at max capacity full of flu cases. We don't see freezer trucks lined up to store bodies because the morgues are full. And we don't see front loaders burying people in mass graves.
Death rates have been declining since April and that's giving people a false sense of security. Florida, Texas, California under-reacted to the current surge in cases because they didn't see deaths going up. And now deaths are going up. They're unlikely to fare as badly as NYC or Madrid of Lombardy, because we've learned a lot about how to treat people and we're better equipped.
But losing 1000/day is nothing to sneeze at. It's an order of magnitude greater than the flu.
...other than means of transmission and some shared symptomology, that's where the similarities end.
Consider that influenza numbers (infection, hospitalization, mortality) are ALL impacted by the fact that we HAVE an annual flu vaccine. There is currently NO widely-available and proven vaccine against SARS-CoV-2. For the last three flu-seasons (2017, 2018, 2019), roughly 40% of all adults in the US received a flu-shot (range 35-45% over the period). The efficacy does vary year-to-year, based on the prevalent strains in circulation, but some degree of protection is afforded by the vaccine, so the reported numbers are inherently skewed.
Apples to zucchinis... there's your comparison.
"Well he's a friend of them long haired hippy-type, pinko fags! I'll bet you he's even got a commie flag, tacked up on the wall inside of his garage"--Uneasy Rider--the late Charlie Daniels, 1973
Now, not too sure I'm a fan of the founder/editor and convicted stock manipulator, Henry Blodget, but that said, it's currently owned by Axel Springer, SE purportedly the larges digital publishing house in Europe.I've also seen a fair amount of information that suggests the 40-50 age group is NOT gonna fare all THAT well in this pandemic.
But I don't see why you object that strenuously, as the graphs it the piece as they are not THAT much different from yours, at least the COVID part.
And San Diego may be an unrepresentative sample, as would be San Francisco which has suffered VERY few fatalities in ANY age group. Guessing between UCSD and Scripps, you guys are well covered.
Edits: 07/17/20
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Axel Springer SE is NOT the same as the highly regarded and much older Springer Science+Business Media.
In Germany Axel Springer is regarded as a purveyor of tabloid trash, it's main product Bild Zeitung which is very much like the UK Sun and a bit above the National Enquirer. Axel Springer himself the German version of Rupert Murdoch.
Well, their data is just doesn't support the claim of COVID being 52 times more deadly than the flu, so the headline is salacious and borderline fake news.
The other problem is not having any verifiable flu data. Most flu deaths like COVID result from other issues like pneumonia and doctors don't test for flu, so reporting is estimated for the most part. Then, when you consider all COVID infections versus only positive tests, the death rate can change on orders of magnitude.
OTOH, we know that if you're 75+, the mortality rate for COVID sky rockets. However, the SD Health czar has reported that well over 90% of deaths had comorbidities. The disease is not a joke, but that article is not well reasoned.
-Rod
it's going to be far lower because of lack of testing...), how they're increasing, how the hospitals in Houston and Phoenix are overflowing, and how many people are dying from it every day.
Keep in mind that Covid-19 is not seasonal. It'll stay here until it's stomped out. We also have no immunity to it.
The CDC has an interesting take on your claim: "Deaths due to COVID-19 may be misclassified as pneumonia or influenza deaths in the absence of positive test results, and pneumonia or influenza may appear on death certificates as a comorbid condition.
Additionally, COVID-19 symptoms can be similar to influenza-like illness, thus deaths may be misclassified as influenza. Thus, increases in pneumonia and influenza deaths may be an indicator of excess COVID-19-related mortality."
What percentage of Americans have 'co-morbidities'?
Almost all deaths reported here in New Mexico mention that whether or not the person who died was hospitalized (most were, from COVID-19, obviously) and whether they had 'underlying health conditions'. Most deaths here are in people who have 'underlying heath conditions', whatever that is supposed to mean.
Again, what exactly is an 'underlying health condition'?
Do I got one of those?
Hope not, because people with them are dying!
Being overweight, high blood pressure, diabetes are generally considered the main ones with cov19.
Being a smoker or having asthma does not seem to be a problem though.
Both groups of people are under-represented among those hospitalized for corona.
So you're ok.
-Rod
NT
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