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Studies in other countries have broken down the risk further to differentiate between never smokers, former smokers, and current smokers.
In a 2006 European study, the risk of developing lung cancer was:
0.2 percent for men who never smoked (0.4% for women)
5.5 percent of male former smokers (2.6% in women)
15.9 percent of current male smokers (9.5% for women)
24.4 percent for male "heavy smokers" defined as smoking more than 5 cigarettes per day (18.5 percent for women)
An earlier Canadian study quoted the lifetime risk for male smokers at 17.2 percent (11.6 percent in women) versus only 1.3 percent in male non-smokers (1.4 percent in female non-smokers).
Background radiation is automatically controlled for.T456
"The Borg is the ultimate user. They're unlike any threat your Federation has ever faced."
- Q, 2365
Follow Ups:
isn't there a threshold of smoking where smokers are indistinguishable from non-smokers?
Something like 1 Ciggy per day? Or a couple per week, if that's even possible?
Too much is never enough
Indistinguishable in what way PG? There is immediate vasoconstriction at the very least. Not to mention the smell and their advertising themselves to the world as being overtly a willfully self destructive.
"The Borg is the ultimate user. They're unlike any threat your Federation has ever faced."
- Q, 2365
Sorry I wasn't clear: My fault:
By 'Indistinguishable', I mean STATISTICALLY for purposes of Disease.
I suspect that at some point in smoking FEW Ciggies, that the disease profile becomes the same as for the general population who has NEVER smoked or quit 20 or 30 years past.
Given how Toxic Ciggies are, I'd further suspect the level to be very low. Maybe <1 per day to yield the same profile as a non-smoker.
I understand that even non-smokers, like from some religious groups will occassionally get a smoking related disease. It's a statistical thing, I suppose.
Healthy living is NO guarantee of health.
Too much is never enough
"Healthy living is NO guarantee of health." You got that right PG along with the difficulty of knowing what healthy living even is. Pretty sure that smoking almost any amount isn't part of it. I think most people learn that by the time they are 8 years old. Why so many ignore it is beyond my understanding. Pizza, chocolate cake, candy bars, grilled steak, unprotected sex, I can understand those. Smoking, nah.
"The Borg is the ultimate user. They're unlike any threat your Federation has ever faced."
- Q, 2365
We may be so close to 100% agreement as to render further conversation on this subject a waste of bandwidth.
Now? If we could get the Borg to start Smoking, we may get somehere.
Too much is never enough
No thanks PG, but I do have first hand knowledge that the Borg demagnetizes their cds.
"The Borg is the ultimate user. They're unlike any threat your Federation has ever faced."
- Q, 2365
Is that a BORG joke? If so, not funny. Borg are nothing to laugh at.
Besides, everyone knows that the Borg, from cube to 'unit', emit enough RFI to screw up ANY un-shielded electronics.
'First hand knowledge', Eh? You part of the collective doing pre-assimilation scouting? Could Bullethead be correct?
Too much is never enough
He could be PG
"The Borg is the ultimate user. They're unlike any threat your Federation has ever faced."
- Q, 2365
I couldn't pass the 'Bullethead Physical'.
Must be able to eat a Metric Ton of pizza per year
Must be able to smoke your weight in Ciggies per year
Must have 6 locks per door and window.
Too much is never enough
Good Pictureguy, this means you will be assimilated. No joke!
"The Borg is the ultimate user. They're unlike any threat your Federation has ever faced."
- Q, 2365
I'd contaminate the collective with wacky ideas.
Besides, politicians LOVE the 'sheeple' to act like the collective, anyway. I just can't manage that.
Too much is never enough
Sure PG. You're special. Right. Resistance is futile. You WILL be assimilated.
"The Borg is the ultimate user. They're unlike any threat your Federation has ever faced."
- Q, 2365
Edits: 04/13/17
Not that we won't ALL eventually be assimilated, but it's How you conduct yourself in the meantime.And yes, I AM special. But for what it's worth, so are you! You just treat everyone as Drain Bamaged and get what'cha pay for.
I'm trying to spend more time listening. I think everyone should.
Too much is never enough
Edits: 04/13/17
I think you meant brain damaged PG. I rest my case, or maybe not?
"The Borg is the ultimate user. They're unlike any threat your Federation has ever faced."
- Q, 2365
Looks like I was wrong. You have already been assimilated.
"The Borg is the ultimate user. They're unlike any threat your Federation has ever faced."
- Q, 2365
Vice President Michael Pence is on record stating that it's safe to smoke tobacco.
I know it's true because he said it's true.
Severius! Supremus Invictus
Please refrain from political trolls. Even Snopes put that one down as horribly old, skewed quote from at least 17 years ago.
-Rod
The stink of cigarette is appalling.
Put me in a small room with a smoker and I would just plain knock them out immediately.
Aside from smoking back in the 60's, (due to friends who smoked) I also went to dance bars. Where the smoke was a really thick blanket. and clothing stank from being there.
I am really glad cigarettes cost a small fortune now.
And for all the laws about where one can smoke.
Where I worked.. up until the mid 80's the break rooms were a stink pot of cigarettes. Then soon all that changed, until no smoking anywhere inside the building. Which may have saved a few lungs of both smokers and non smokers alike. I have to admit smokers were usually friendlier than non smokers, and 'joining' them smoking made it easy to be accepted
Cigarette smoking is a addiction, just like any addiction. It does nothing for you except befuddle the brain into thinking all is better with a cigarette in hand than not.
I for one do not care about 'statistics' as much as I care about not having to smell that shit anywhere around me.
I also can remember the sudden sense of 'relaxation' from lighting up. But then that is just the addiction response to the lack of nicotine. A 'fools' paradise.
Yes, break rooms all used to stink like high hell from cigarettes.
Now they all seem to stink from the burned coffee made by those horrible POS "Mr. Coffee" machines.
Which is worse?
Cheers,
SB
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I'm with you, except that I never smoked. I grew up with my mother smoking unfiltered Pall Malls, and I never got used to the stench, which I describe as burning sweat socks.
I tried dating a smoker a few years ago, thinking "How bad can it be?". I found out how bad. She was a sweet woman in many ways, but the smoking was something I couldn't get past.
Too many Americans are eating themselves to death.
Burger tax?
dying is an art like everything else.
Just because there are other potential health issues out of our control (to some degree only, one can always move away to a healthier location), doesn't mean one should go out and intentionally harm themselves. Don't get me wrong, I smoked for many years, but knowing I was adding to the chances of cancer, etc.
The fact still remains on the percentages as shown by the OP, it's not like they isolated all the study participants from every other harmful environment. If you smoke your chances are that much greater...
I quit smoking to be healthier. I also moved away from Vancouver to (among other things) reduce stress and get away from pollution. Lots of things are within ones control.
I say this now, but I believe I am going to go through my last carton this week. I can't afford the cost (about $1,200 a month with all the taxes) and I managed to resign from my job due to the stress.
In the interim I will smoke some pipe tobacco out of my pipe to try to wean off, it is not going to be easy but I turn 40 at the end of the year and it is time to stop at least for me.
In terms of the environment, yes I have to get the hell out of New York and go somewhere, I've thought about Uruguay as well as the south of the United States. Right now I don't know what to do really, I have to figure the rest out.
Right now I am only a US Citizen, so not much options yet.
"I say this now, but I believe I am going to go through my last carton this week."
I have found that usually those who say it don't mean it and those who mean it don't say it. Sorry, but I callem as I seeum. Same with alcohol or other drugs.
I had already gotten to the point where I was getting cigarettes tax free, which means like a couple bucks a pack or less. It wasn't the money. I was also pretty much bulletproof so it was not any concern for my health. But on August 11th, 2011 I decided I'd had enough. I was simply not enjoying it. No patch, no pills, no hypnotist, none of that, simply do not light up another one.
And do it while you still have cigarettes, or tobacco and tubes or whatever. If you use the lack of access to help quell an addiction you might find yourself barefoot at three in the morning at the gas station getting a pack of Winstons through the window. You yourself must have this resolved.
If nothing else it is a little bit less tax money. I am tired of having my tax money go to bombing Women and children. They get as little as possible from me.
Good luck in stopping. Don't call it quitting. Also, make no promises. It is day to day. If, in a few months you want to light up, well you are over 21 right ? You have every right to do so. It is your choice.
And it is your choice not to, every minute of every day.
"I am tired of having my tax money go to bombing Women and children." Well we can sure agree on something. I myself would include men in that though. Pretty sure we will have to remain tired for some time. T456
"The Borg is the ultimate user. They're unlike any threat your Federation has ever faced."
- Q, 2365
Edits: 04/17/17
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"The Borg is the ultimate user. They're unlike any threat your Federation has ever faced."
- Q, 2365
I think it was Mark Twain that said: Quitting smoking is easy, I've done it at least a thousand times.
It's a dirty, filthy, nasty, smelly, disgusting habit that I thoroughly enjoyed for nearly 20 years, but I do not miss it and feel so much better for having stopped. That monkey's been off my back now for over 25 years. All those pizzas you enjoy so much will taste ever better to you and your sense of smell will return too.
You just have to keep repeating to yourself "I'm a puff away from a pack a day". You are stronger than your urges. Show them smokes who's boss.
I love it, I will quit for the 1000th time due to financial reasons. I will not be contributing to the state taxes anymore. Figure $200 a week in Taxes they won't get from me.
And I know I am lying, I'm not quitting, it is one of the only things I got in my life that keeps me going. I lead a very sad life,
So, why can't you?!
Weak willed?
Warmest
Tim Bailey
Skeptical Measurer & Audio Scrounger
Yes, I have no self control. I'm a bad bad addict, I should be exterminated.
No one is worthless.I am known occasionally to smoke an OP - other people's - if offered when drinking socially. Perhaps two to three cigs a month.
So I too am still an addict of nicotine. and so will you be if you stop.
The day I 'stopped' I took a carton and a half of Gauloise, a 2/3rd carton of Camel Filters, about ten Soubranies, and two packs of RYOwn tobacco, and several different lots of pipe tobacco. And burnt them in our backyard incinerator. NB We are not allowed to have / use these, anymore.
Gave away the pipes as well - three of, including a hooked silver-ferrule Peterson, and a meerschaum. And, both cigarette rolling machines, and three waterproof cigarette box covers from my time in the H'army.
Why did I stop? I wanted / needed surgery for chronic sinusitis and a deviated septum. he wouldn't do it if I didn't stop for 2 months before and after. And, the penny dropped.
So, I know full well that it isn't easy, but if a driven, impulsive PITA like me can do it? Again, why can't - or won't? - you?
Eh?
Take a break from here, get some appointments with a counselor, to learn how to take charge of yourself, and do it!
Have a go, mate.
Warmest
Tim Bailey
Skeptical Measurer & Audio Scrounger
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What a waste of good tobacco.
Be good Tim, all the best in your recovery.
extract the digit, etc.
and, stop boring the pants off us all.
eh?
Warmest
Tim Bailey
Skeptical Measurer & Audio Scrounger
My Dad died of lung CA, at a much too early age. It wasn't an easy death. It eventually metastasized to his brain. I doubt he recognized anything the last few years of his life. He was constantly in-&-out of hospitals with acute pneumonia or fluid build-up on the lungs, etc.
Anyhow, Godspeed for you! Good luck!
They're only beginning to understand just how addictive nicotine really is, and why the habit is so hard to break for some people. From the article linked below on Macalester College's website:
"Nicotine's pharmacokinetic properties have been found also to enhance its abuse potential. Cigarette smoking produces a rapid distribution of nicotine to the brain, with drug levels peaking within 10 seconds of inhalation. This fast delivery of drug assures that the smoker receives instant reinforcement for smoking, this perpetuates the continuation of smoking. The acute effects of nicotine dissipate in a few minutes, making the smoker continue dosing frequently throughout the day in order to maintain the drug's pleasurable effects and prevent the uncomfortable symptoms of withdrawal. What people frequently do not realize is that the cigarette is a very efficient and highly engineered drug-delivery system. By inhaling, the smoker can get nicotine to the brain very rapidly with every puff. A typical smoker will take 10 puffs on a cigarette over a period of 5 minutes in which the cigarette is lit. Thus, a person who smokes about 1-1/2 packs (30 cigarettes) daily, will get 300 "hits" of nicotine to the brain each day. These factors contribute considerably to nicotine's highly addictive nature."
$1200 a month? Really? What, do you smoke a carton a day? Sheeeez.... A carton here in NC is $55 for the premium brands. Still unhealthy and still a bad waste of money, just not quite to the extreme you're dealing with.
$135 a carton, they even got the balls to charge sales tax on it. Smoke about 2x packs a day, more when I am stressed.
NC is a state I am looking at to move to. I just don't want to be labeled a Yankee, because I am not. The last thing I need when I move are people who would frown upon the fact that I am from NY. We have our problems with illegals here, I have to figure it out, also my accent doesn't help, it sounds like I am in the back room of a diner with the Sopranos, lol!
$135 in five days is $27 a day times 365.. plus tax... $10,000.
One of the things I thought of to quit was how much money a continued lifetime of smoking would be. And then of what else i could own with that money (rather then owning 100,000's of used cigarette butts.)
Well, you should move to Cary, NC then (Cary Audio's original hometown). Cary is an acronym for Containment Area for Relocated Yankees. :) Kidding aside, most Carolinians I know are pretty welcoming, and those that aren't are not worth your time anyway.
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