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In Reply to: RE: From Sublime to Ridiculous posted by Paul Eizik on May 26, 2017 at 09:28:31
I like the term "Audiophile jewelry."
Especially to a guy like me who only listens to big black horn loaded commercial speakers with ridiculously low IM distortion and high dynamic range that is ready for any type of recording OR live music.
No WAF, GAF, or jewelry here. Just great sound!!
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"I like the term "Audiophile jewelry."[...]
No WAF, GAF, or jewelry here. Just great sound!!"
Yeah there is an aspect of "if it sounds good, it needs to look good, too" I am totally OK with that. Calling it "audiophile jewelry" I feel is a little derogatory - in that it is discounting entirely if it is any good or not.
I have seen some really nice looking gear (and modest looking), being top notch for performance.
I have seen things that were both pretty looking and nasty looking not being very good.I totally agree that some things are overbuilt and artificially expensive through Bling. So we're not too far off.
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"We have met the enemy and he is us" - Pogo
Edits: 06/28/17
What is your system, if you don't mind? I'd be curious to know what is in it. Thanks.
Big J
"... only a very few individuals understand as yet that personal salvation is a contradiction in terms."
I several 2 channel setups currently dormant, in pieces. Klipsch K-402 horns with TAD 4002 drivers on top of a pair of Peavey FH-1 cabinets containing EVM 15B drivers, with Danley DTS-20 subwoofer (all fed by Yamaha SP2060 96/24 active Xover with JBL/Urei, Yamaha, Adcom, Hafler, Dynaco, PASS Aleph J Class A, Crown K2, various chip power amps. and waiting for Hypex monoblock kits with NC400 modules, supposedly the best of Class D stuff out there. I'm sure I missed several things, but got most of it.Analog setup with old APT/Holman preamp, Adcom 555 Power amp Luxman 121 TT with Ortofon MM cartridge, all driving totally a pair of refurbished ESS/Heil AMT 1D. Also have 2 Klipsch Cornwalls refurbished with newer drivers and Xovers, and 4 Commercial Heresy's with titatnium diaphrgms. A few dozen RAW drivers WMT, etc for future speaker builds and 2 pairs of original ESS AMT with spare diaphragms. Also have a spare pair of Danley TH-50 subwoofers. I just sold Twin 18" subs, 14 Klipsch speaker, including 3 of my customized/ported "Super Heresys"
My current MAIN (best ever) setup is: 2.2/6.2=Front R&L Danley SH-50, CenterFront, SurroundR, SurroundL and CenterRear Sound Physics Labs Unity Summation Apeture horns/TD-1. Yamaha CXA-5000 PrePro main unit with the amazing ESStech 32 bit SABRE DAC chips. One OThorn and One Danley TH-50 Subs Center Front/Center rear, driven by a Crown K2 with mono input. Each of the 6 Danely designed horns has 7 drivers for a total of 42 drivers. One compression driver Tweeter, 4 sealed 5" midranges, and 2 12" woofers per horn box. The main Rnad L dispesion is 50x50 degrees, which keeps the sound focused on the sweet spot and OFF the walls. The TD-1's have a 60Hx40V pattern laying down. The OThorn tapped horn has a 21" B&C driver, and the TH-50 has a monster MTX 15" driver in a tapped horn with a lower Fc. My Bass is +/- 3 db from 18-200 Hz. measured with 1/48th octave resolution at my sweet spot, which is rare and difficult to do.
Oppo 103 for CD 2.1, HDMI out for 6.1 DVD/Blue Ray. Yamaha YPAO "Natural" room EQ for all listening.
At the touch of a button on the remote, I can jump between many modes but my preferred mode is 2.2 for all music, where it's only the Danley SH-50's and the 2 subs front and back that are on. Theater Standard for 6.2.
I think that just about covers it, for this year anyhow. LOL.
I have had 5.1, 6.1 and 7.1 setups for HT, and having that 7th channel in the rear makes ZERO difference on any Blue Ray tested, so it's a waste of money, space, and an amp channel. But, for some rooms layouts, it's needed in case there's a doorway in the center rear. Now that I have 11 channels, I only use 6 but when things shake out I may upgrade to do Dolby ATMOS, but I'll wait my next domicile to do so.
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Also using Peavey FH1. How do they sound with EVM15B?
Using Klipsch K33 here
I heard JBL 2226 sounds great in those horns too
As former owner of many LaScalas and even more FH-1 bins, the FH-1 is clearly superior, especially with the stiffeners. It measures and simulates better in Hornresp.I once used FH-1 bins with a pair of EV 960 horns with DH-1A drivers. The bass bins had K-33's which, to my surprise, went down to 30 Hz (huge cabin gain). without EQ on the bottom end in my basement office. The K-33 pulls up the lower end while sacrificing it's top end, which was easily PEQ'd without an IM distortion penalty with an active 24/96 Digital Xover.
The EVM 15 L or B, as well as a Klipsch K-43 are at the other end of the performance curve, thinning out the bass while getting a much better midrange response, so it's highly dependent on crossover point and what the mid/treble horn does.
Regardless of which woofer is used, the LaScala bin has less response at 400 Hz. by about 3-4 db. The FH-1 is much better in this regard. Both of them peak at about 140 Hz. so using about a 7 db PEQ attenuation at a Q of about 5 or so will flatten them out, but you have to measure with REW or some other software in your ROOM to know for sure.
Edits: 05/31/17
....nuff said.
Oz
Don't worry about avoiding temptation. As you grow older, it will avoid you.
- Winston Churchill
Such as?
you have a big house!
Not heard the Danley SH-50 for some time. Planned on trying some but then spent many years traveling for work.
Big J
"... only a very few individuals understand as yet that personal salvation is a contradiction in terms."
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