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In Reply to: Re: About 4-Ohms for 40 ft loop of 30 AWG posted by wgeiger on July 17, 2001 at 16:43:19:
This is a little more formal than I'm accustomed to and I won't be able to deny your analysis nor your references. I read the paper on speaker cables about 15 years ago and while I agree to that I also think it doesn't finish the topic. Jon Risch, Malcolm Hawksford, and Allen Wright all have some more written, and it's rather controversial stuff. There is no debate from me. You either subscribe to their ideas or you don't. That's enough of that topic.Concerning my comments about speakers, I simplified the argument for sake of argument. I am not going to deny the resistance has a real effect on the system response in predictable fashion because I know it does. I am one who believes it merely doesn't finish explaining the whole speaker wire's effect in one neat model for all that I hear going on. It seems to act more than just a resistor changing on the speaker terminals. No need to argue about it because that's all I have to say on that.
Kurt
Follow Ups:
> > I read the paper on speaker cables about 15 years ago.Correction on that, after checking back. I read that second article mentioned when it was published about 10 years ago (1991) and did not read the one from 1980.
Kurt
Kurt,
Re: Jon Risch, Malcolm Hawksford, and Allen Wright
Have any published articles in a peer reviewed journal on the subject?
Regards,
Bill
Bill -Have you written any peer reviewed articles?
Did Nicola Tesla get good reviews by his peers?
Or was Edison busy selling light bulbs and discrediting Tesla?Did that make him right?
Or was he just a rich kid that liked to play a lot?Did Jesus have peer reviews?
Or did the Pharases not say that he was a fool?Leave this guy alone. His point that a midrange speaker is not being used at resonance is valid.
RTC,Lets see, the current “Revenge” package includes:
[1] Publishing Issues [PI]
[2] Some Science History [SH]
[3] Religion/Scientology (RLH-Maybe) [RS]
[4] Inmate Molestation [IM]
[5] Acoustic Resonance [AR]Comments follow in corresponding order:
[PI]
Have you written any peer reviewed articles?Comment: I am not in the speaker cable business. So the prospect of that topic being addressed by me in an article is quite slim. I do want to read objective articles on the subject that are at least supported by some modeling and test data that demonstrate claim validity. In that case I may try to reproduce it, otherwise …
If my current lab work yields fruitful results, then I will certainly prepare and submit for review a manuscript covering any discoveries made, along with a patent application that addresses appropriate product implementations.
[SH]
Did Nicola Tesla get good reviews by his peers?
Or was Edison busy selling light bulbs and discrediting Tesla?
Did that make him right?
Or was he just a rich kid that liked to play a lot?Comment: As far as Edison and Tesla are concerned, their contributions are well known, and neither was reluctant to publish. I will note that Edison and his associates preferred the patent office.
[RS]
Did Jesus have peer reviews?
Or did the Pharases not say that he was a fool?Comment: I assume you mean Pharisees? Beyond this, do not comment on religious matters. In this forum, I draw sufficient flak from posts on matters acoustic.
[IM]
Leave this guy alone.Comment: Truth = Abuse! Since when?
[AR]
His point that a midrange speaker is not being used at resonance is valid.Comment: In a horn/driver system there is more than one resonance to control. Driver [Fs] was never at issue here.
Regards,
WHG
Bill, Bill -Comments follow, as you say, but without any particular order:
[AR]
His point that a midrange speaker is not being used at resonance is valid.Comment: In a horn/driver system there is more than one resonance to control. Driver [Fs] was never at issue here.
Reply:
The only thing that wire does is add series resistance, as you said yourself. One can certainly argue the point that dampening is unimportant above resonance(s) of the horn/driver system and this is the point that was made. Resonance is a non-specific term, and doesn't apply only to Fts. A quote of the post you argued is "they do not operate near ANY resonant."
[PI]
Have you written any peer reviewed articles?Comment: I am not in the speaker cable business. So the prospect of that topic being addressed by me in an article is quite slim. I do want to read objective articles on the subject that are at least supported by some modeling and test data that demonstrate claim validity. In that case I may try to reproduce it, otherwise …
If my current lab work yields fruitful results, then I will certainly prepare and submit for review a manuscript covering any discoveries made, along with a patent application that addresses appropriate product implementations.
Reply:
A patent on wire. A PATENT ON WIRE!!! Do you hear that?!! A patent on WIRE!!!!!
That's the funniest thing I think I've heard in a long time!
A patent on wire!
[SH]
Did Nicola Tesla get good reviews by his peers?
Or was Edison busy selling light bulbs and discrediting Tesla?
Did that make him right?
Or was he just a rich kid that liked to play a lot?Comment: As far as Edison and Tesla are concerned, their contributions are well known, and neither was reluctant to publish. I will note that Edison and his associates preferred the patent office.
Reply:
The PTO is neither a judge of truth nor a repository of truth. It is not a director of truth or a listener of truth. The PTO is simply a place to record intellectual property rights. It's a legal office, and nothing more.
Telsa invented everything that was later to become the wiring of the world. Edison did nothing more than to tinker around with gadgets and find ways to make money with them. As a capitalist, he was very successful. As an inventor, he was mediocre. Tesla made a system that was capable of powering a city, a state, a nation, the world. Edison's system could not - No way. Edison instead lied to everyone in America and the rest of the world. And he was PEER REVIEWED. That didn't mean anything, except that he could get fools to believe his nonsense.
Don't bother with quotes or trying to discredit a persons comments with that peer review buisness. If you have a valid line of reasoning, then say it. But if you just want to belittle someone, don't bother. Especially about something like this. I really don't want to listen to someone who has so little to offer that they would write a thesis about wire.
[RS]
Did Jesus have peer reviews?
Or did the Pharases not say that he was a fool?Comment: I assume you mean Pharisees? Beyond this, do not comment on religious matters. In this forum, I draw sufficient flak from posts on matters acoustic.
Reply:
One cannot misspell in English a word that is not English. It would be more correct to have written this word "farisei" but even this is not right. The wrong alphabet has been used. You can quote the dictionary all you want, but that is more of the same - quoting references. You have purposely chosen to fail to see the meaning in this dialog, and that also means you have failed to see the truth.
[IM]
Leave this guy alone.Comment: Truth = Abuse! Since when?
Reply:
How do you like it? We discuss a meaningless topic:
The deeper truth in speaker wires.
Is it pleasant for you? I sense that you are embarrassed. I think it would have been better left alone.
The sound of a ringing empty barrel may be heard as one flies over the nest of the cuckoo.WHG
If you want to read the material, read the Cable FAQ by Jon Risch right here, and even ask Jon for his credentials in the Cable Asylum. You can read about Malcolm's article in Allen Wright's "The Supercables Cookbook". Ask them about the papers they published in peer reviewed journals because I don't know what they all are. I know Malcolm is published several times in the AES and I think Jon Risch is also, but probably not about "cables." I doubt Allen Wright has.Not meaning to be snide, but let me make the point I really don't care to "convert you" in any way. If you don't want to experiment with the thin wires for horns, then just don't.
Kurt
Kurt -Bill's right that a small wire and a larger wire with a series resistor are one and the same thing. But other than that, I think you pretty much get the picture. I'm not sure why Bill quotes technical references for something as simple as wire.
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