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In Reply to: RE: SACD posted by Munkie_NL on February 29, 2012 at 03:05:27
they were the first logical digital format in my mind so i embraced it fairly early on. the discs were plentiful (relatively) and sold for about what a regular cd listed for and i felt that they were FINALLY worth that much (but not their own list price). i acquired a fair number of them to support the medium, unlike sony.
still SACDs are available at what about what i consider max for new vinyl ($30) and i buy now and again. because they possess most of that relaxed, satisfying character of vinyl playback, i still feel they are a worthwhile and buy-able entity.
be patient and buy wisely; you will likely come to the same conclusion. i still feel that LPs are the standard sound for me but sacd is close. my sacd player is a lowly sony ns500v that i paid $160 (delivered) for just as it was closing out; its a FINE sounding player that makes even RBCDs sound better than a regular player, another benefit of sacd playback capability.
its not to say that the unit you bought is going to measure up but there ARE some cheap SONYs available new that likely do. check costco and smas club for SONYs for about $160 to 190 that carry the sacd logo.
i am not fooling myself that it will get you AYRE level of quality but pretty good for cheap.
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I have 50-60 SACDs. Most at least rival their vinyl counterparts and a few even match or exceed them. It's a shame CBS/Sony abandoned the format.
Sony hasn't completely abandoned the format, as without Sony, SACD's can't be produced...they just don't produce them themselves...
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failed to support the format. it would have been fortuitous if sony had begun releasing all hybrids that would have had the retailers in a better position. they could have had a special section for SACDs and when the currently new music lost its new glisten, the inventory could have been absorbed in with all the other CDs and sold there.
instead, many people unknowingly bought SACDs and then could not play them at home and had to return them. the stores then had to take a loss.
had SACD been allowed to proliferate, more recording and mixing hardware capable of sacd could have been in more studios, hence more numbers of sacd produced.
like dolby S, too little, too late. dolby S cassette decks were usually high cost items and by the time affordable units came out, cassettes were on the way out. CD may have had a harder time competing had dolby S been properly marketed. perhaps the rbcd standard wouldnt have been the jumping off point and the needed further development of digital technology would have continued to a more logical point.
the lessons of quadraphonic werent fully learned.
...regards...tr
The "SACD Project" fellow-I forget his name-once told he was running around trying to convince the pro and recorded and etc divisions of Sony to support SACD. NO push from the corporate top; ZERO company-wide mandate to "must support" and really muscle the format out to the public.
Of course, that would have required a lot of investment and risk:
- Chiefly, make EVERY new Sony release SACD, which practically would have necessitated hybrid, which would have been racing the replication cost curve and quantity production bottleneck, necessitating more production factory investment.
- SACD car players, including digital out solutions (i.e. MOST bus for BMW/Benz/Audi)
- Every DVD model support SACD. If you really want to be ubiquitous, ya gotta really do it.
and on and on as I've posted elsewhere.
They might have gained the world. Or lost their shirts. We'll never know.
Personally, I don't care much any more. I love surround when it's done well but one of my conclusions from the DVDA/SACD debacle was that maybe there just isn't enough creativity out there for massive numbers of compelling surround releases. There were a few cool titles, and other stuff that was like "Yaaaaawn"
That said, let me reverse myself and say I still hope for music on Blu-ray.
Sony still supports SACD, as you posted, in their video players.
Also, why was it Sony's responsibility to decide whether a release was to be single layer/SACD only or hybrid? That was the choice of the record company putting out the SACD.
Many purist SACD fans prefer the single layer SACDs, so the hybrid arguement can go both ways
Sony was the facilitator and was there to get the ball rolling, the rest was up to the Record Companies to go with it. Sony is still involved in the release of every single SACD commercially sold.
Sony has made relatively inexpensive SACD players early on, many of which sold for much less than it cost Sony to make, such as the SCD-1 (bought mine in 2003, and have over 900 SACDs) and other early machines to help with the adoption of the format.
If the rest of the Record Companies would have jumped on board, then we might not be seeing the downward spiral of CD and of all the online downloads, as that was the true intention of SACD..copyright protection.
The cost of SACDs since inception were a problem with me. I notice you mention that you paid around the same price for SACD as CD..I never seen that at any outlet, including Best Buy...unless on sale or when they were clearing out the SACD section.
In every music store I shopped, SACD's always were in their own section, with the exception of a few Hybrids (Stones, Dylan) that didn't matter because they played on CD only players also.
I don't think multichannel has anything really to do with SACD not catching on, because there is also a stereo layer and the multichannel was more later.
Many purist SACD fans prefer the single layer SACDs, so the hybrid arguement can go both ways
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"The cost of SACDs since inception were a problem with me. I notice you mention that you paid around the same price for SACD as CD..I never seen that at any outlet, including Best Buy...unless on sale or when they were clearing out the SACD section."
you must not have jumped in early. 14-16 bucks is what i paid for the bulk of my (about 100) SACDs. best buy, frys, and other stores had those prices.
still, sony's support was wimpy.
...regards...tr
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