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Man,
New Unkle, - lame
New Verve, - lame
New Prodigy, - lame
New Zero 7, - lame
New Air, - really lame.
What is going on out there? Good music costs too much? Is that it, - has the whole world turned into Susan Boyle, William Hung, American Idol crap?
Or, is Sordidman just a whiner?
Surrendered to self preservation,
From others who care for themselves.
A blindness that touches perfection,
But hurts just like anything else.
Follow Ups:
doesn't suck. First listen, okay. Next Listen - great stuff going on here! Check it out!
If only we could only shelve records diana krall, patricia barber, Kenny G and yanni for at least five good years...
I like Sia though...
Other than a few diversions from classic rock pre 78-80(Punk,grunge/new wave)IMO music has reached its apex. All genres have their "it"
performers but, most is just a rehash of whats been done from the 60s 70s
which took from 50s and earlier. Fortunately, there is plenty of old music to discover. Plenty of classical, jazz, blues and quirky pop from the past
to keep you entertained. If you're under maybe 40 or so, I believe you were robbed of any sort of ground breaking/new artists. Plenty of new good music but, most times I say to myself, "that reminds me of .........
and the sonics aren't that great.
Edits: 01/02/12
Zager & Evans's In The Year 2525
In the year 2525 ?
she gets over $800,000 a month in just royalties alone...go figure
"You don't have to be faster than the lion....
just the guy running next to you.." -anonymous
just look harder, or give up.
I'll admit I'll still walk backwards into lamp posts for great norgs, great legs and etc.
But I kinda gave up on pop in the eighties.
easier when you have other music you grew up doing I'll admit.
How's cycling!?
Warmest
Timothy Bailey
The Skyptical Mensurer and Audio Scrounger
And gladly would he learn and gladly teach - Chaucer. ;-)!
'Still not saluting.'
http://www.theanalogdept.com/tim_bailey.htm
90% of the pop culture--music, movies, TV, books--from any era is worthless for anything other than kitsch.
We just remember the good stuff from those decades past and forget the bad.
Example: a former local talk radio host used to go on and on about how TV today was crap, that the 1960s was the Golden Age, etc., but the truth is that most of the TV shows from the 1960s were wretched. He was only remembering the good ones because that's what stood out in his mind.
There were tons of horrible music released during your 1980s-1990s time period. I should know; I bought a lot of it. Your selective memory--this is understandable, something we all do--prevents you from realizing it.
I'm an old guy. Most of my favorite performers are long dead, but there is still excellent music being recorded and released right now, today, if you care to look, and I had no problem finding at least a half-dozen solid keeper LPs released just this year. It doesn't sound like music from the 1990s (or 1980s, 1970s, 1960s), but that doesn't diminish its excellence.
But right now 2010/2011 the bad stuff is still hitting you upside the head.
Five years from now, someone will post something to the effect that "it's all crap; whatever happened to the great stuff we used to listen to at the end of the Aughts?" It's as inevitable as sunrise.
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If it really were "all about the music," we'd just use iPods and be done with it.
Edits: 12/31/10
;-)
Owyergoin' maaaate, orright!?
Warmest
Timothy Bailey
The Skyptical Mensurer and Audio Scrounger
And gladly would he learn and gladly teach - Chaucer. ;-)!
'Still not saluting.'
http://www.theanalogdept.com/tim_bailey.htm
music and from there making our choices...if you were lucky enough you lived in or near a metropolitan center, for me Boston, that had a myriad of stations with different programming...it was a musical buffet with endless choices...then along came MTV, the radio conglomerates with their corporate and mindless playlists foisting their politicaly safe and horrid messages on us...the places to hear good new music dried up unless you were near to a usually low powered college station...I think that when internet radio streaming takes off with the masses that there might be a new renaissance of popular music...
Quality is stuff you ahve to fight for.
Warmest
Timothy Bailey
The Skyptical Mensurer and Audio Scrounger
And gladly would he learn and gladly teach - Chaucer. ;-)!
'Still not saluting.'
http://www.theanalogdept.com/tim_bailey.htm
I have the new Zero 7 and boy you sure are right Sordy.
since the late 70s and after the early 90s it has been pretty much hopeless, add digital, music videos, compression, and general commercialization and there is no hope. the answer is to go in the other direction try out music from before your time, there is a lot of old stuff you never heard of that is excellent!
I disagree with you, - but it's just personal opinion.
I must confess a certain myopic leaning toward the early 80s and the early 90s as the best time for music. Almost everything that happened in the 70s was completely horrible IMO, almost as bad as the 50s.
With the death of the previous "Music Industry" paradigm of physical products, I think that one can argue at least, that they amount of products are diminishing enough to say that there is less potential for what anyone would call "good" just because there is less.
Ambition makes you look pretty ugly.
Kicking squealing gucci little piggy
"Almost everything that happened in the 70s was completely horrible IMO"
Wow I am boggled. The 70s started out with the Stooges (they started before the 70s but hit classic stride in the early 70s), the Ramones, the whole CBGB proto-punks like Television and Richard Hell.
And then punk broke. And it seemed like there were hundreds of great records coming out of London, New York, LA, and even Cleveland (Pere Ubu's Modern Dance). In LA, it was X and the Blasters and the Germs and a hundred others now faded into obscurity.
And in the mainstream side of the 70s, there was the great early David Bowie and the great solo Brian Eno.
I thought the 70s was absolutely a brilliant era for music.
Agree with all you said....
Stooges, Eno, Jonathan Richmond, Zappa, etc. etc. were the bright spots in dark times. And Punk, - although technically a part of late mid 70s, - was really 80s. Just like 1967 and late 60s is considered part of the 70s.
Of course there was "Brandi" by Looking Glass, - which essentially sinks all my arguments!! :-) :-)
Ambition makes you look pretty ugly.
Kicking squealing gucci little piggy
I see post punk as 80s. Punk, besides a few groups for me, was dead by the 80s.
There were all kinds of brilliant albums from the 70s. Might be the most creative and free period of rock and pop music...punk, ska, industrial, post punk, synth, etc....the latter 1970s was just unreal! And in the early to mid 70s you had great singer songwriter stuff (Drake, Martyn, Richard/Linda Thompson, etc.), Krautrock, Prog from all over the place including great stuff from South America, nd a million fascinating and sometimes bizarre prog offshoots...Henry Cow, Magma, Fred Frith, etc...and also great stuff from Fela Kuti and Jamaica. And for pop....Big Star. There was a lot of dreck imo also...what we know as Classic Rock today...jmho.
obviously we all have our opinions, thats what makes the world go round. I think we all tend towards the era we grew up in, primarily our teenage years, and to a lesser extent our twenties. I assume you are in your late 20s/early 30s, thus the 80s/90s preference, me i grew up in the 70s but always desired music from the previous decade more (60s), and lost interest in most current music after the early 90s (note most). i will agree with you that as the 70s progressed quaily certainly went downhill, but the decade did start out with a lot of good music, and there were a number of high quality albums later on, just the percentage had a steady drop off. and yes most 50s music is quite lame, but there are a number of real gems in there, early Elvis, Chuck Berry, Comets, so on, and these are the music that created the whole rock music as a mainstream type.
As for the death of the music industry, yes it is dying a slow death, you see more stores close every year except for those in vinyl, and i see this as a real positive thing, the current music industry model needs a boot, formulated, over commercialized, lacks any creativity, little if any way for real talent to rise. and an industry that ignores its customers, and lacks technical quality, (compression) and shoves trash down everyones ears. physical format or not i don't care, but the fall of the big music companies will allow new fresh opertunities to arise for true inovation and talent. the internet will allow most anyone to post thier music for sale and hopefully the best will go to the top, and it will allow unlimited variety of new music types for all people, not just pop music for teenagers. on the tech front, there will be the opertunity to allow increasingly higher res formats as well, bye bye 44K hello 192K, 384K, 768K, and so on... downloadable and playable on your PC. maybe someday the quality will even pull people like me away from vinyl, who knows. but any way good riddens to the old music industry dinosaurs!
""I assume you are in your late 20s/early 30s, thus the 80s/90s preference""
Turn 49 next year, - been in "rock-music-groups" since I was in my middle schools. Was living in Leeds shortly after the punk revolution. Which I regard as not a music movement, but a socio-political one. Of course, - that's in dispute, as perhaps its historical importance. I recognize that we always think the best music was when we were 18. And since punk-rock was largely a rebellion against all things 70s, - I guess that that is weight on my head.
Punk Rock used music as a tool to reject the current music, and social values of that time.
In the same sense that John Lydon, Clash, GofF and the Jam were rebellious: Chuck Berry, Carl Perkins, Bill Haley, were too. Even before Mick Jagger lost perspective and said that the new RS record sounded like Husker Du: (sic), in the late 80s; (the RS actually were "shocking" and rebellious in 1968.
Since HipHop, there is no more rebellion and it's just POP music.
Rock music has been "disposable" for a long time, and in the grand scheme of things, my mind knows that the early 80s were really no better than the music of the early 70s, or mid 50s, - which I find not only distasteful, but distracting. The facts on the ground are that wealthy Record Industry Executives exploited art and artists for their own benefit; and continue to do it; just in different ways. Any chance that I get to hurt them, (and get away with), I will.
Cheers,
Ambition makes you look pretty ugly.
Kicking squealing gucci little piggy
Apart from the regular tours, we used to do some of those weekend events at... was it the Kings Hall Queens Road or the other way round?
The huge tram shed?
I remember Daze Of Future Past which was the kind of futurist synth bands...
I'd have been up there with The Clash, GoF, Talking Heads, Ramones, Blondie, Ian Dury... etc etc.
I can't remember the regular venues in Leeds... far away and long ago... ;-)
............
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Timothy Bailey
The Skyptical Mensurer and Audio Scrounger
And gladly would he learn and gladly teach - Chaucer. ;-)!
'Still not saluting.'
http://www.theanalogdept.com/tim_bailey.htm
plus The International club in Chapeltown, - plus the basement of the corn exchange..
Man, would've given anything to have seen you guys as part of the JD/Buzzcocks scene...... Got to see the Jam some, and the Specials...
All gone those places... long ago... :-(
Ambition makes you look pretty ugly.
Kicking squealing gucci little piggy
If I remember correctly it was owned by a father and son who wanted me to manage it for them at one point after I worked out how to lay the place out and charge more money for it!
I used to occasionally stay at Pete Shelley's place in Manchester when I was "seeing" (albeit extremely briefly) Sue Cooper who worked at New Hormones for Richard Boon(e).
It was an exciting time in Manchester.
Dave C said"If I remember correctly it was owned by a father and son who wanted me to manage it for them at one point after I worked out how to lay the place out and charge more money for it!
I used to occasionally stay at Pete Shelley's place in Manchester when I was "seeing" (albeit extremely briefly) Sue Cooper who worked at New Hormones for Richard Boon(e).
It was an exciting time in Manchester."
Is this the same Sue Cooper who was Richard Boons g/f for a while? She was also in a very early Poison Girls! (Frances) aka Vi- Squad /Subversa
was heavily involved in a womens centre at Brighton Resource Centre & she instigated using the old church vaults as a punk venue practice space early 77.
I'm told Sue helped put on an early Buzzers gig in Brighton I think she helped out the buzzcocks camp in the early days probably as friend of Boon/Shelley.
Can you tell me any more about Sue?
tried to be quiet and learn....
You must have so many wonderful stories of those days: and first hand knowledge of what all of those folks, (whom I've only read about), were really like.
Ambition makes you look pretty ugly.
Kicking squealing gucci little piggy
The others are worse!
I suppose I do have the stories and back in the mid-90s I was asked about a book for "punk's 20th anniversary", but really who needs another book of sex and drugs?
Maybe if I go broke or get offered enough money... ;-)))
Edits: 12/14/09
"Was living in Leeds shortly after the punk revolution. Which I regard as not a music movement, but a socio-political one. Of course, - that's in dispute, as perhaps its historical importance."
You IMO hit on a major element of what I think is the problem- Prior to 1970, I think people were able to separate the music from the politics and judge them separately....... But something changed in the 1970s...... People started using non-musical biases to judge the music as music, and it's been all downhill ever since.
"I recognize that we always think the best music was when we were 18. And since punk-rock was largely a rebellion against all things 70s, - I guess that that is weight on my head."
I don't know where this mindset came from, yet I've encountered it a lot here on AA...... I never had this urge to put music of my generation front and center, back in my teen years....... In spite of others doing it around me..........
"Punk Rock used music as a tool to reject the current music, and social values of that time."
You're probably correct here...... But some of it at one time (what was called "New Wave") still seemed interesting.......
"In the same sense that John Lydon, Clash, GofF and the Jam were rebellious: Chuck Berry, Carl Perkins, Bill Haley, were too. Even before Mick Jagger lost perspective and said that the new RS record sounded like Husker Du: (sic), in the late 80s; (the RS actually were 'shocking' and rebellious in 1968."
I think at one time, the style had an edge, wrapped around decent songwriting....... What I think changed is that the style (and lyrics) eventually became a *substitute* for good songwriting......... (I think John Lennon subconsciously transformed to this form of music making after his Beatles days.)
"Since HipHop, there is no more rebellion and it's just POP music."
Establishment or rebellion, the one thing that strikes me as lacking is **passion** behind the music. (I watch modern bands, and they seem **timid** on stage, compared to what I saw 20 to 30 years ago.) I think half the problem is peer pressure has forced people to listen to music for social reasons, and the musical element that drives the passion has become insufficient in recent time.
"Rock music has been 'disposable' for a long time,"
That's the problem...... It's not just rock...... **All** music has been treated as disposable. This peer pressure has discouraged younger people from exploring great music, regardless of era, in my humble opinion. The very element that I think would have sustained the passion I mentioned above.
"and in the grand scheme of things, my mind knows that the early 80s were really no better than the music of the early 70s, or mid 50s, - which I find not only distasteful, but distracting."
Tastes are tastes....... The worst anyone can do is disagree.........
"The facts on the ground are that wealthy Record Industry Executives exploited art and artists for their own benefit; and continue to do it; just in different ways. Any chance that I get to hurt them, (and get away with), I will."
I don't think it's the record labels, but the network media...... Those airing music to national audiences foster this peer pressure by dictating which music should or should not get exposure. The record label execs might try to influence these decisions via contributions to the networks, but until this monolith is broken (provided it ever will be), the fabrications who get airplay will be the only real music exposure the masses who cannot think outside the box will ever get.
I remember back in the 1960s, the network media was not overly restrictive with the type of music being aired. There were even a lot of classical concerts being aired in those days. I don't know what happened, but things changed drastically in the early 1970s, and it seems like the public no longer thought freely about music. And there, in my opinion, is the root of the travesty.
It would be great if people could think for themselves, and bypass the peer pressure and network restriction of music aired. The internet might have improved things, but I really don't know if the public acceptance of a *variety* of music (and music for the sake of music) will ever be the same.
""You IMO hit on a major element of what I think is the problem- Prior to 1970, I think people were able to separate the music from the politics and judge them separately....... But something changed in the 1970s...... People started using non-musical biases to judge the music as music, and it's been all downhill ever since.""
So, you think that music is there strictly for entertainment and not a part of any kind of social commentary, or educational tool, or any kind of dissemination of political, educational, or socio-economic learning tool?
If so, - i think exactly the opposite. Especially in the USA where we have one of the worst, and most biased, press-corp and corrupt corporate controlled media in the world, - it used-to-be very important to me that we had an alternative, and this punk-rock, and the post-punk-rock, - educational-media-news-through-rock vehicle was a good way to get it.
With the fact that music lost its relevance as entertainment, and importance to counter the biases of the press, and the worsening of the biases of the media; things have gotten really bad: (read, American Idol).
Ambition makes you look pretty ugly.
Kicking squealing gucci little piggy
“So, you think that music is there strictly for entertainment and not a part of any kind of social commentary, or educational tool, or any kind of dissemination of political, educational, or socio-economic learning tool?”
I think that’s the primary function of music……… And that’s how I personally enjoy music. Even if there is a political or social message, I judge the music separately from the message. And at one time, I often cited great music in spite of disagreeing with the message. (The Clash and Rammstein come to mind.)
Note that I also have no problem with the “learning tool” aspect in music, where people learn how music is constructed, and appreciation of the various musical styles.
I think the heart of music’s decline is the fact the pure art of musical composition has taken a back seat to the social or the political messages, and if stripped of these messages, there really isn’t much left.
“If so, - i think exactly the opposite. Especially in the USA where we have one of the worst, and most biased, press-corp and corrupt corporate controlled media in the world,”
No argument about the bias………. I agree with you there totally………… (Now we might disagree over *how* the media is biased.)
“ - it used-to-be very important to me that we had an alternative, and this punk-rock, and the post-punk-rock, - educational-media-news-through-rock vehicle was a good way to get it.”
I see punk rock as an element of a much bigger picture…………….
In my opinion, the most important element of music is simply one hearing a song or composition for the first time, and falling in love with the song or composition…………… Regardless of style, genre, or era.........
“With the fact that music lost its relevance as entertainment, and importance to counter the biases of the press, and the worsening of the biases of the media; things have gotten really bad: (read, American Idol).”
I think we need to let go of the “relevance” and once again treat music as music……… The relevance should enhance music’s popularity, not dictate it.
Everyone's entitled to their opinion, but have you ever listened to a John Lennon album all the way through? And if so, which one?
And with regard to modern bands being timid: Who have you seen live this year? And, youtube doesn't count.
"Everyone's entitled to their opinion, but have you ever listened to a John Lennon album all the way through? And if so, which one?""Milk and Honey", most memorably. ......
"And with regard to modern bands being timid: Who have you seen live this year? And, youtube doesn't count."
As if seeing a timid band live would somehow cast a different impression........ (I saw such an act opening for Porcupine Tree a couple years ago. The audience didn't even pay attention to the performance. The performer concluded that he wasn't doing anything for the audience, and cut the act short. And nobody in the audience cared.) I wish I had such disposable funds to do this. This is why I love YouTube.
In fact, I think the best way to demonstrate new bands (or any band) is to link live clips to YouTube. Any apprehension to doing this only shows lack of confidence in whoever is recommended!! (Dave C. has dug up hidden Aussie gems, by the way.)
That said, there *are* some new bands with the passion....... The hard part is finding them. (My only concern about Inward Eye is the debut studio album didn't really showcase the band like the video footage.)
Edits: 12/13/09
"Milk & Honey" was a hodge podge of leftover tracks released by Yoko in 1984, four years after John Lennon died! It's hardly representative of his output after The Beatles demise.....
"As if seeing a timid band live would somehow cast a different impression........ (I saw such an act opening for Porcupine Tree a couple years ago. The audience didn't even pay attention to the performance. The performer concluded that he wasn't doing anything for the audience, and cut the act short. And nobody in the audience cared.) I wish I had such disposable funds to do this. This is why I love YouTube."
I'm not quite sure what you mean by the first part of your response. I was wondering what source of reference you have to make such a statement as:
"Establishment or rebellion, the one thing that strikes me as lacking is **passion** behind the music. (I watch modern bands, and they seem **timid** on stage, compared to what I saw 20 to 30 years ago.)"
I can empathize with the expense concern, but when you make such a blanket statement you should have something to back it up. I love youtube too Todd, but it's no replacement for the live experience.
i remember back in the late 60s,early 70s when FM radio station DJ's played pretty much whatever they wanted similar to today's college stations. and commonly a DJ would play an entire LP side straight thru. by the 80s FM was not much better than AM. I agree New Wave was the best music from the early 80s.
"...the network media...... Those airing music to national audiences foster this peer pressure by dictating which music should or should not get exposure" - i assume you are talking about music shows on TV here, i dont watch much TV, but it seems about right.
"...remember back in the 1960s, the network media was not overly restrictive with the type of music being aired. There were even a lot of classical concerts being aired in those days. I don't know what happened, but things changed drastically in the early 1970s, and it seems like the public no longer thought freely about music. And there, in my opinion, is the root of the travesty." - yes most people these days seem to have VERY limited music circles, what really strikes me as funny is when they tell me i need to "open my music horizons" when i state that i dont like some certain newer music they happen to listen to, like huh? i listen to classical from the middle ages to present, ragtime, blues from turn of the century to present, reggae, zedeco, cajan, traditional indian and japasese, folk, celtic, new age, electronic, and pop/rock from the 50s to present, and i am the closed (musically) minded one?.
well you got me there your only a year younger than me. Leeds UK i assume as in "Live at Leeds"? the punk thing never took off here in the USA like it did in the UK, and never did anything for me either. and yes the rebelion thing is nothing new, was going on in the 20s with jazz at the time. becomes more popular with the young if it offends the elders. yes the stones were rebelion in the 60s by after the 70s they were old hat, sorta wish they had hung it up after emotional rescue. but don't you think hip hop is rebellion? i agree with you that the "industry" munipulates music for commercial gain and the art generally suffers as a result, although this is nothing new the degree of it has magnified as time has gone on. In fact if you look into Classical music the same was there as well, in the middle ages the church controlled the music, then kings and princes, then the rich upper class, as they were the ones commissioning artists and pieces. There is a lot of early 70s rock that i love, but after that it slowly became as you say primarily "disposable" and "distracting", and the number of artists i liked slowed to a trickle by the mid-80s. every now and then i hit new one i like (Midnight Oil, Bjork), but i begin to wonder if its worth the effort of searching. so now i tend to either go into the obscure or very old. Listening to Philip Glass now... i only care about the quality of the music and does it do anything for me, the politics behind it are not important to me, and i dont really care if the music is new and came out last week or a thousand years ago, if i like it is all that matters. i never really understood the facination with new or whats "in".
I saw it scratched on a rock somewhere.
It seems to me there is more and more music around.
If you can't find anything you like, then it might be time to look for something new.
;-)
actually i have a CD of truely ancient music on "period" instruments, one piece is literally from 500BC rather interesting if not simple. when compared to music from later dates (middle ages, baroque, so on) it is interesting to hear the gradual progression in complexity. think the 500BC piece literally was scratched on a rock otherwise it would not have survived! another meaning to "rock" music!
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That's a very small take on a very large musical world. Perhaps you should try music *after* your time. There are scores of great music cut in the 90's and 00's, though most will never find it as they won't look past the pathetic billboard charts or american idol garbage. Taking 5 min stroll through my iTunes playlist, and sticking only to the music relevant to this forum, I see:
Wilco
Muse
Imogen Heap/Frou Frou
Andrew Bird
Sigur Ros
Portishead
Fleet Foxes
Animal Collective
Emiliana Torrini
Beck
UNKLE
Sia
Zero 7
Radiohead
Norah Jones
Alison Krauss
Goldfrapp
Pearl Jam
Air
Tool
Cat Power
Carbon Leaf
Coldplay
Morcheeba
Royksopp
SiSe
Damien Rice
Eddie Vedder
Sufjan Stevens
Hooverphonic
Franz Ferdinand
Jem
Diana Krall
This is just a fraction going back to circa 2005, and I didn't include all the good ones, nor have I found them all, yet!...If I went back to the 90's the list of excellent artists wold be quite long. I don't know that I'd do without these artists in my collection. I have countless hundreds of albums from the 60's, even hundreds from the 50's-back, and many 70's (not a much 80's, as to me it was a bleak musical era) albums, too. Old music gets "tired" or "stale" to me. I can only play DSOTM or the White Album so many times before I don't want to hear it again, or, ok, maybe one or two listens a year. There is great and really bad music from every decade, all waiting to be found, if one just opens their minds...
i am not saying all newer music is bad, but the percentage is an issue, there are a few that i have found such as Bjork, and Enya. And i agree re getting tired of an old hit such as DSOTM, some of which i think we can blame on the limited play lists of today's radio stations, i used to love DSOTM as well as many others, but now it almost hurts to hear them. but if you dig deeper these bands had a lot of great music that does not get played at all these days (Meddle, UmaGumma), go further back (60s, 50s, dare i say 1920s, 1890s(ragtime), 1600s, 1700s, 1500s...) and you hit bands you never heard that are fantastic. i find this a lot easier than looking thru the current "haystack". and why is going back to music before ones time "narrow minded", i would say limiting music selection to the present decade is "narrow minded". glad to see you have stuff back to the 50s.
The percentages aren't any different now from what they use to be. The difference is that the good stuff now isn't played on the radio much. Over the past 15 years the radio has stopped playing the new and interesting music. They are stuck replaying the same rehashed stuff. This can be directly linked to the Telecommunications Act of 1996, which allowed Clear Channel to go and buy up most of the radio market. There are still some hold outs, but they are few. So because of this you have to head off radio to find the great music. If you make the effort there is a huge wealth of great music.
Much of the interesting music never makes it to record (what an OLD name!) outside the major population centres and often not even there.
The web is now the place to browse.
Just today I turned up a couple of Japanese ambient electronica guys who I think are fantastic and that's just because a video was on the list when I watched something else at youtube. And it's only 8.53AM!
Looking only at contemporary music is not more (or less) narrow minded than it was in 1973.
But today there is more to choose from.
"New Unkle, - lame
New Verve, - lame
New Prodigy, - lame
New Zero 7, - lame
New Air, - really lame."
New Aleks Syntek - Incredible..... In my humble opinion........... (The CD will not be available 'til February 2010.)
Too bad we're boxing ourselves into music solely of our own language.............
Andrew Bird- "Noble Beast"...... My best for 2009................
great groups which you missed from the 80s, 90s.
I don't think we're currently in a boom time for new music and it's the first time I think we've hit a dead zone in over 40 years of my direct experience. The post-Helmet, Oasis, Radiohead, Stripes, Spoon, and Shins world is bleak.
And then, seriously, there's the opera world with enough great music to take up a good ten years of discovery time.....
I saw one.
Would love to get one again: just to see how it changed. Can't remember if we ever got in there....I seem to remember them posting key College radio playlists, - but ......
Thanks,
Ambition makes you look pretty ugly.
Kicking squealing gucci little piggy
Ditto on the last Air, Prodigy and Zero 7 being let downs, especially the Zero 7 with new leading ladies trying to fill some really big shoes. Sia's last album however was just phenomenal, as was the live disc she also put out in 2007. Grab those if you haven't already!
I received the Sia CD......... This is so frustrating........ The pitch correction on the vocal is unbearable (I don't know how I missed it sampling the album on Amazon), yet I think this would have otherwise been a great album..............
After Zero 7's first record, - I saw them live in SF. Moises came out and sang first, then Sophie Barker, then one of the other women. We didn't think that Sia was on tour with them. Then they started up "Destiny" and she walked out, - man, everyone in the place was crying; it was amazing.
I'll check out Sia's latest solo....
The thing that Simple Things has that the other records don't are some instrumental tracks, and what seems like a nearly equal focus on the music part of the songwriting. It is creative, utilizing interesting sounds; and it is musically powerful, very dynamic. All their other records seem like vehicles for the singers, - making them much weaker; IMO.
Cheers Nietzche!
Surrendered to self preservation,
From others who care for themselves.
A blindness that touches perfection,
But hurts just like anything else.
Man, I would have killed to see Zero 7 live on their "Simple Things" tour! I saw Sia twice at the 930 club in D.C. She is such an entertainer, such a powerful voice, full of playful youth and bat-shXt crazy like only an artist of her caliber can be (as seen in her "Buttons" videos)! Her latest album, "Some People Have Real Problems," is phenomenal, every bit as good as any Zero 7 release. Like the "When it Falls" Zero 7 albums, the sonics are great, with a rich, warm, full presentation (must be tubes somewhere in their recording studios?!). Here are a few tracks from this album below (be sure to watch the first linked video, it's a trip!). The live album, Lady Croissant, is highly suggested too, and she covers a few Zero 7 tracks as well quite nicely! If you really dig the Sia stuff, check out her version of "Paranoid Android" on the Radiohead tribute album "Exit Music: Music for Radioheads," which contains a few over very interesting track from top notch artists and also great sonics to match for the most part.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUkje1lw4cA
It just does. The last Midival Punditz sucked too.
ET
Question "Authority", the mainstream media sucks - Go Independent and hold BOTH parties accountable instead of just the other guys!
I need music to help forget the reality of today
Hey Awe....
Do you mean "Hello Hello"
I'm still listening to it, - but kind of like it. I hear a big departure, far less Indian/North African tones and phrasing, very different.
Surrendered to self preservation,
From others who care for themselves.
A blindness that touches perfection,
But hurts just like anything else.
Yes Hello, Hello. I agree with your summation. I also feel nothing they have done comes close to the first one IMO.
ET
Question "Authority", the mainstream media sucks - Go Independent and hold BOTH parties accountable instead of just the other guys!
I need music to help forget the reality of today
But I just keep finding more and more good stuff.
At least, it's "good" to my ears!
;-)
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