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In Reply to: RE: New Eno-Byrne posted by Sordidman on July 25, 2009 at 14:03:09
Archtypical rock with Robert Fripp playing what most guitarists can't
even dream of. This album and "Taking Tiger Mountain by Strategy" are my
favorites by Eno. My bestest favorite, though, is Eno-produced: "Lucky
Leif and the Longships," Robert Calvert. This is a concept album about
Vikings, cast by Hawkwind, Calvert (Hawkwind's lead singer), and Eno.
A delightfully strange album, it has everything from apocalyptic rock to
the funniest Beach Boys parody I've ever heard. Ambient Eno? Yawnarama.
Regards,
J.R.
Follow Ups:
Some folks don't understand or care for ambient. That's cool. I found that when penetrated (ahem), it is different to yawn-inducing. Many folks find much of the rock genre rather overtly titilating, basic, and obvious.
Musical preferences are just that - personal preference and opinion. No truth is to be found in our opinions (although awareness of them may lead to an understanding of...)
Cheers
Raymond
"As long as we have any intention to be right... we should be wary. So long as words have the slightest ego attachment, they are dishonest."
Charlotte Joko Beck
Which is seldom mentioned anywhere, far less than ambient anyway, and I
think it's one of Eno's most stellar efforts, strikingly different from
the standard rock album. I'm always taking people to task for dismissing
genres (you know, like, "rap is not music" or "all reggae sounds the
same"), but I'm not even sure ambient is really a genre: seems more a
technique, but a technique that really tests my attention span and I'm
normally an exciteable boy. And, yes, I'm an opinionated boy; I have an
opinion on everything, but at least I change my opinions quite often,
especially when I am wrong or foolish. Well, as my favorite poet says,
"If the fool would persist in his folly, he would become wise." Perhaps
I'll be penetrated someday by ambient, but right now I'm listening to
a lot of Hungarian gypsy folk music like Parno Grasz and Kalyi Jag with
nary a trace of ambient in sight. Regards,
J.R., listening to Khamoro.
Can you elaborate more on "Lucky Leif?"
I hear you. In my opinion, = some Ambient, and some of Fripp Eno, - specifically, walks the razor's edge between being pretentious and uncompelling; and on the other hand, - it can realize its intention, - which is background music that can be ignored and then re-focused on at various points and be interesting.
I found sometimes that Robert Fripp's little JG Ballard-isms, and his "repetition is a form of change" and his "tail" pretentious, '80s, armchair philosophy, - rather tiresome. Eno has "aged" a lot better than Fripp, IMO.
It is my belief/understanding that it is a genre, and Eno kicked off something huge. Ambient has really evolved and "changed" from Wyndom Hill, (although, they might not consider themselves Eno-directed Ambient), into stuff like Just Music, (Leo Abraham, {currently an Eno collaborater}, and Jon Hopkins; to folks like Aaphex Twin. Then there's folks like Eric Wollo, Maneesh de Moor, Al Gromer Kahn, etc.
The Harold Budd, and Jon Hassell stuff is amazing, IMO. And started to push Ambient and influence a lot of people that are still great and doing interesting stuff, -IMO. Jon Hassell is still doing great work, combining Indian meditative music with ambient; and beyond.
""I'm an opinionated boy; I have an
opinion on everything, but at least I change my opinions quite often,
especially when I am wrong or foolish""
For what it's worth, - I think that is awesome, and I think that we all are and should be opinionated when it comes to art. It's all art, and since there's no agreed upon definition for art, - it all comes down to what value any one, unique, individual, places on it. One can say that they think Ornette Coleman or Brittany Spears is good or bad: and they will be "right." Because ultimately, they are both the same in a definition-less paradigm.
Both sides of the river, there is bacteria; there must be meaning behind the moaning, is this living?
But although it's debatable that Eno invented Ambient,- it's pretty close to that, and the guy was certainly a creative force that turned a lot of things upside down.
I hear you if you say that that happened on those wonderful first 4 to 7 solo records traveling into Ambient, 801 and such: but goodness that man is crushing!!
I agree that their recent work has slipped; but goodness those boys are still out on the field kicking the ball around; and I'd rather be on their team than Dave Matthews'
Both sides of the river, there is bacteria; there must be meaning behind the moaning, is this living?
... in NYC would have something to say about that.
I still have to investigate her....
Both sides of the river, there is bacteria; there must be meaning behind the moaning, is this living?
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Both sides of the river, there is bacteria; there must be meaning behind the moaning, is this living?
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