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I usually play eight hours of Chess on Saturday's and hear the same acoustic selection on XM Radio every time. I've grown to dislike the horrible tremolo-like warbling of...Jewel. But then, what do I know? I think Billie Holiday sounds like a car with a dead battery.
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who sounds like a car with a dead battery.
I'd add to her crooners, rappers, soulful singers who emote a lot, and everything else popular and French.
All that heritable talent and the originals he copies are better.
Note that a post in response is preferred.
Warmest
Timothy Bailey
The Skyptical Mensurer and Audio Scrounger
And gladly would he learn and gladly teach - Chaucer. ;-)!
'Still not saluting.'
I think the two key words here are "copies" and "better." :-)
I just cant stand it, so whine whine whine and lame... Ugh, gross.
v.i.
Million miles from home.
not because he wrote all the tracks; but how great it sounded. Not too many recordings stand out like that one has over the years...
OK- I'm ready for the attacks, I've got my trigger finger on the caps lock and I'm ready!
may the bridges I burn light the way....
Easily the most annoying singer, listening to him is up there with water boarding or any other form of torture..
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may the bridges I burn light the way....
Neil Young, Neil Diamond, Marianne Faithfull, Beck, Bjork, Geddy Lee, Ziggy Stardust what's-his-face and the monotoned-voice gay piano player and his funny-looking sister who also sings funny(can't remember their names).
Bono (one word -- insufferable prick, almost at the Sting's level). Whitney Houston (RIP; although I'm not sure if she was also a songwriter, but certainly had one of the most annoying, grating voices ever). Alicia Keys -- terrible, terrible affected singing. Stevie Wonder -- good songs, bad singing.
Best singer ever? Billie Holiday.
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reelsmith's axiom: Its going to be used equipment when I sell it, so it may as well be used equipment when I buy it.
but you're not into Classical music yet, much less Classical comedy. I love the scratching to Vivaldi's Four Seasons. As a Bus rider I love this line: "And you can wait for a bus half an hour or more 'Cause they like to travel in gangs of four."
Lyrics:
So, anyway, now hear the sound
Of the very best rapper for miles around.
Yes, I'm the fellow who's where it's at
There's absolutely no denying that
Yes, I'm the apex, I'm the best
I'm considerably better than all the rest
The acme, the zenith, the tippest to the top
The nec plus ultra, the hippest to the hop
The summit, the pinnacle, the highest of the high
The apogee of rappers, that's I.
Well, I'm doing pretty well for myself right now
I'm pulling down about eighty thou'
My wife makes forty. She's a Vasser grad
And hey for a woman that's not half bad
So we're talking six figures here
But there's one thing I want to make crystal clear
I have to laugh and I have to scoff
When I hear people calling us "well off"
Anyone who thinks that we're sitting pretty
Doesn't know what it's like in the big bad city.
You gotta buy your apartment but the mortgage will be
A mere pittance compared to the maintenance fee.
To get a light bulb changed in the hall
Takes twenty seven men. It's a union call
The doorman, the mailman, the sanitation crew
The parking attendant and the cleaning lady too
The super and his helpers, they all get tips
and then we've gotta talk about the memberships.
The book club, the wine club, the health club fees
The fruit of the month club and the one for cheese
The Opera subscription, the museum and the zoo
The Sierra club, the ACLU.
There's the magazines to which you must subscribe
There's the plumbing inspector that you have to bribe
There's the parking space you have to rent or buy
There's the country house for the month of July.
You will never have money, you can never relax
With a federal, state and city income tax,
You can't do your own returns, oh no
You might end up paying what you owe.
Hey I'm no Bonnie and I'm no Clyde
I'm just trying to get along on the Ungh Upper West Side
Now anyone will tell you that you're a fool
If you don't send your kids to a private school
And no one living here would even think
Of trying to get along without seeing a shrink
A yoga class every other day
Helps chase the subway blues away
Not to mention the blues from the doctor bills
And the root canals and the various pills.
Your daughter takes flute and dancing too
Your son takes piano, guitar and kung fu
The baby's allergic to cotton, not silk
The cat can only drink gerbal milk
A baby sitter here, if she's got half a brain
Can make more money then the governor of Maine
OK I know that's not hard to do
But I think my message is getting through
You got a lot to loose, you got a lot to hide
When you're trying to get along on the Ungh Upper West Side
On Sundays to give my wife a treat
The kids and I used to hit the street
We'd grab some donuts and head for the park
Sometimes we wouldn't come back till dark
Well that was only fair I freely acknowledge
But, hey now our kids are both in college
Yet here I am still out on the street
Soaking up rain and killing my feet
By walking this dog all over the place
So my wife can have her precious space
Is this High Noon, I'm Gary Cooper
Facing the world with a pooper scooper?
In New York City they always say
You can get anything any time of day
But you're looking at a man who can't get what he wants
Zay Bars is out of chocolate croissants
The Book Review was missing from The Times
The Korean Market is out of limes
The pool hall here closed up last week
To make room for another ice cream boutique.
You don't know a thing about suffering and pain
If you haven't tried to catch a taxi in the rain
And you can wait for a bus half an hour or more
'Cause they like to travel in gangs of four.
Your folks come to town, you want to take in a show
Hey you should have bought your tickets a year ago
Seeing foreign films is a hobby of mine
But now you pay a fortune to stand in line
And to get in a theatre that seats twenty-nine
And listen to Vivaldi one more time.
Well, the time has come to say "Au revoir"
I promised I'd move my sister's car
My end so to speak begins
With an interlocking theme in the violins
Sounds pretty good but a little bare
Let's get the violas in there
Now cellos and basses in you go
It's time to add the continuo
Well, that's about it, that's how it ends
But remember this my provincial friends
You may think you're knowledgeable, but you're not
In fact you don't know diddly squat
So don't go judging carelessly
If you lived here you'd be just like me
I've got no shame, but I've got my pride
I'm just trying to get along on the Upper Upper Upper West Side
Upper Upper Upper West Side...
"Happy Listening,
Teresa."
"Mr. Watson, come here; I want you..."you can almost hear Mr Watson finishing that request in the background singing: "to want me the right way..." (sung to the tune of Marvin Gaye's "I want you")
Becoming not only the first 'rap' record; but the first record period !
And of course I'm kidding; my point being spoken word on recorded medium is nothing new; neither is the addition of background music while spoken word is injected.
No one actually thought our kids would create a new genre of music we'd actaully "like" did they? (a phrase perhaps repeated the previous ten generations)..
Hell; I'm waiting for the NEXT phase in music so I can climb out my rocking chair and shake my fist at it!
I, like the other poster can tolerate a certain amount of rap. But I understand those who do not; much like my detest of polka music...;)
may the bridges I burn light the way....
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If you listen carefully, rap is almost somewhat similar to music!
I am so proud of my kids and their generation the one that all of you old farts shake your fist from you porch at, because they can embrace our music ie: classic rock ,jazz ,swing etc and still love some rap and country and electronic, not many of you so called music lovers have the eclectic mix that my kids and their friends have on their ipods and mp3
Jimmy Buffet said it best I'm groing older but not up.
OFs like me don't get rap, my parents didn't get the Beatles, their parents didn't get Sinatra, and Plato complained about the 'youths of Athens' who were probably tuning their lyres in some newfangled way.
I do have a very unique love for all things music ,movies, books .If you saw my record collection or saw what tv shows I watched you would understand Sometimes I forget not everyone is like that. By the way my youngest is a Senior at SFSU she is in love with San Francisco
Debbie Harry did a good rap with Blondie on the song Rapture.
My daughter graduated SFSU last year. She loves SF, too.
Probably because I'm still paying her rent!
So you have heard all rappers wow. I do not go out of my way to listen to rap but if I see a video or hear a rap song that I like I will admit it Its called beeing open minded. And there have been a few.
...and until I hear a rap I like, I'll maintain my disdain for it.
I have two kids (16 and 21) and have heard lots and lots of the rap they have listened to over the years. No, I have not heard it all, but plenty enough to know the chance of hearing one I like is slim to none.
It's kind of like eating fish ...I've tried over 20 varieties, disliked them all. Rather than search for the one I might like, I simply don't eat fish.
Life's too short to spend on things you don't enjoy.
Dean.
reelsmith's axiom: Its going to be used equipment when I sell it, so it may as well be used equipment when I buy it.
Taste for food is something physical,and at least you tried but Music is in the mind and you have made yours up.I am not a rap fan I just do not like to say I hate all of anything and like I said I do not seek it out I just keep mind and ears open.
Wait....taste is also in the brain (three cranial nerves bringing input from different areas of the tongue to the nucleus tractus solitarius of the brainstem, and then on to gustatory regions of the cortex), as are musical preferences...not sure I see the difference....
I like to hear the stories in my music ,so when I hear a song that might speak to me I am more forgiving of the style it is presented in, or just how about a catchy tune? I am not a death metal fan but if you catch me in the right mood I will be bouncing off the walls. So I guess you might be able to be tricked into liking a food you hate but not likely, By the way I only food I hate are Bell Peppers. Besides a lot of food likes and dislikes are from texture once again physical.Trust me I am not sticking up for rap I just don't like the word all.
...appreciation of music (air molecules in motion colliding with the tympanic membrane, setting it into motion) is physical too--just different partsof the brain (some even perhaps overlapping with taste) making the evaluation.
Does a music lover have to love all types of music?
Does a lover of art have to appreciate every style?
Does an avid reader have to like every genre?
Must an oenophile enjoy all wines?
Of course not.
A person can be very enthusiastic about something, yet chose not to like parts of it.
My brain can't deal with disco either. It's allowed.
Dean.
reelsmith's axiom: Its going to be used equipment when I sell it, so it may as well be used equipment when I buy it.
I agree. Music is like a like a salad bar. If you don't like cottage cheese, pickled herring, or cherry tomatoes then skip them. Take what you like, leave what you don't.
........I was a vegetarian for 15 minutes... until the main course.
I can hear things I don't like the sound of, eat things I don't like the taste of, see things I don't like the sight of, touch things I don't like the feel of, smell things I don't like the aroma of.It's all a matter of taste/preference.
Dean.
Edits for atrocious spelling.
reelsmith's axiom: Its going to be used equipment when I sell it, so it may as well be used equipment when I buy it.
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All physical stimuli that undergo transduction in the sensory apparatus, and then interpreted by the brain.
nt
"For a nominal service fee,
you can reach nirvana tonight."
...let's not forget that Gluck, Monteverdi, Vivaldi, Bach, Haydn, Mozart, etc, etc were the "pop", not classical, composers of their day.
nuff said except for one of Stereophile's scribes said she "represented (at the time) everything that is wrong with the music business today."
by describing his voice the eqvivalent to a housewife on quadludes nagging you to to take out the garbage....saw that back in the 70's and has stuck ever since*had to be Playboy magazine since those were the only music reviews I ran into as a teenager!
may the bridges I burn - light the way....
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Of course that is the only reason you read Playboy.
"To Do Is To Be" Socrates
"To Be Is To Do" Plato
"Do Be Do Be Do" Sinatra
Bruce Springsteen - the voice, the writing, the persona. You know, that whole "America: Fuck Yeah!" shtick, but without the desperately needed self parody.
Leonard Cohen - uh, that voice. OTOH, I love Tom Waits and Bert Jansch. Go figure.
Nina Simone - I've tried. I've really tried. I can appreciate her soulful, earthy, heartfelt writing, playing and phrasing, but that off key singing voice and nervous vibrato are just cringeworthy.
Richard Thompson - fine writer and musician, but I can't stomach the flat, toneless voice.
Streisand, Madonna, Witless Houston, Celine Dion, Mariah Carey, Cher, etc., but those narcissistic hacks don't actually write, do they?
...are the worst.Knock Three times and Yellow Ribbon make me want to puke.
Pina Colada Song whoever sings that is just as bad.
There may be a few others, but I like Diana Krall, Dylan and Sting, so I must be able to tolerate just about anyone...
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(Not that they never overlap--Mozart never put pen to paper without the prospect of a commission or performance). But the examples you cited are prime species of 'I'll bet we can put something over on record-buying idiots' school of financial creation.
Rod Stewart and his raspy voice & Joe Cocker that hurts when I hear it.
Just to single out the superstars. Sting is beyond rehabilitation- he gives me hives. But after hearing Mr Simon live in Central Park with the South African band I went back over his work and to me, he's borderline brilliant. He always came off twee but if you trust him he'll let you into his world and it's not such a bad place to be...
But it took me years
After those Saturdays, your Sundays must be gloomy.
Cheers
Bill
nt.
The only singer I've heard who I prefer with Auto-Tune..............
Just how does a car with a dead battery sound?
Weak/dead is the same to me.
I think you mean a car with a weak battery. Unless she just goes click click.
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nt
And Phil Collins is also bad, bad, badio.
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"I can't compete with the dead". (Buck W. 2010)
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may the bridges I burn - light the way....
Why? Because New York was not his home? His pleading to the Operator for that phone number is heart wrenching. Always wondered what happened to that little son.
Bill
died! Unfortunately. I, for one, very much enjoy his stuff
"Man is the only animal that blushes - or needs to" Mark Twain
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as for the rest, it's such a waste
fight the good fight
She's a damn fine Musician who sings. The INDUSTRY chose to market her as meat cause there's a lot of meat eaters and very few music appreciators out there.
If you want to know who she is watch the Live In Paris DVD for her playing and the way she leads the band.
I didn't care for her at first but the more I listened the more I was attracted to her voice, sultry style and certainly good looks. I only wish that she recorded more but I guess her twins must keep her very busy.
Yeah, I like her, too. Oh, sure, DK doesn't have a "great voice" by my standards. She has a small range, not much dynamics, but she sounds nice and has a good delivery. She does what she does do well, and I like to listen to her.
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"A fool and his money are soon parted." --- Thomas Tusser
Gonna step on someone's toe
The only one I can think of off the top of my head is Leonard Cohen but there must be a few others. IMHO, even the best of them do not wear well.
Do you understand French at all? If so, I can recommend Angele Arsenault, if you can find any of her CDs. She wrote terrific songs, delivered them well, is satirical, funny, wise, and so on.
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"A fool and his money are soon parted." --- Thomas Tusser
the entire genre is not really important to me and I don't have enough time to listen to all the classical music that I want to hear.
That most would be better off singing "You can't get a man with a gun," and/or there are few truly gifted singer-song writers these days (compared to when?).
My favorite is John Samson (The Weakerthans).
"You don't need to be a Weatherman to know which way the wind blows"
Don't go by me. I am completely uninterested in pop/rock/folk music and enjoy only a microscopic fraction of singer/songwriters.
Kal
...that words interfere with the appreciation of music, possibly by agitating a different part of the brain. (Of course, I am in the minority here...most people think that the singing _is_ the music, and the instrumentalists are just filling in while the singer catches his breath.) For this reason, I find opera in Italian to be an improvement, as I can enjoy the voices without comprehending the words. Opera in German is not an improvement.
When one want to see Rubens, Grandma Moses just won't do.
But not the words. That was the next step. But could he sing?
"You don't need to be a Weatherman to know which way the wind blows"
Bob Dylan.....fantastic songwriter but can't carry a tune worth a damn!!!
N/T
I LOVE Bob Dylan! C'mon!
So all singers should sound the same? What about instruments or birds. Bob Dylan, Kris Kristofferson, John Prine ,Willie Nelson ,Iris Dement, I could go on all day ,these singers sound like themselves and there songs sound best and evoke the most feeling when sung by them, because they wrote them!
I don't even like his song writing ability, let alone his singing...
-Bob Dylan.....fantastic songwriter but can't carry a tune worth a damn!!!-
Ya beat me to it!;)
cover all of mine but Mr. Hertz has listed one of them.
nt
+1
Egregious. Plus, for me, Sting always sours any movie he's in.
Sounds like you've been stung.
Also dislike U2. Big hype. Springsteen too. Cant even make out what these guys say. Starvation in Africa? What else is new? Didnt one guy discover Ethiopia long time ago in Wembley with Phil Collins travelling at supersonic speed between London and NY. And the rebel Dylan. Gets censored in China.
Bill
Gotta go with you on that- While I liked his collaboration/corroboration with The Police, I simply can't stand his later solo stuff... To arrogant sounding to these ears...
"If the audio industry built gear that sounded as good as it did 50 years ago, there would NEVER be a need to re-issued anything!"
Ex that is...Sting is gone too...thank Dog.
"I can't compete with the dead". (Buck W. 2010)
but a LOT of women like him & them...
Ouch!
This is towards the end of her long (considering...) career, and she sounds rough around the edges, but the sweetness
buried within that lived in, experienced, wise voice is still pretty apparent.
She holds up nicely surrounded by her peers who are in top form here.
Never heard Jewell. I'm going to just assume I'm not missing much there.
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great video Musetap. There's some great singing and playing goin on there . . .
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