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It seems like you just can't get away from the digital evolution. All you see nowadays are articles about i-pods, i-pads, dacs, music server, streaming, etc, etc. I myself have a CD player I haven't listened to in 2 years. I'm just happy with my vinyl and tube gear. There was a time that if you didn't listen to vinyl and tubes no one would consider you a true audiophile.
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for the past 60 years.
Digital is now the least expensive way to do *many* things.
Ed
I know exactly what you mean. I was reading a thread on AVS or something like that and this guy was talking about his "Mac". I couldn't understand what the hell he was talking about until I realized the "Mac" was a Macintosh computer, not a McIntosh Audio component.
Can't even go to an audio/music site these days without a computer, ipod thingy or the internet being thrown into the mix. Bleh...
I found a news clipping from 1906:
"There is a new fangled sound product called the 'amplifier' that is claiming to be an advance in the reproduction of music over our beloved Edison Cylinder."
"Everyone knows that music is a sound medium, not an electronic one, and we cannot endorse this bastardization of the acoustic sound of music by corrupting it with electricity."
"It would be a fool's errand to try to shift the recreation of a musical performance from the mecahnical world into the electronic world."
Take, for example, over the air TV: The aspect ratio - which way would you prefer your picture destroyed, vertically or horizontally? Isn't there a button to fix that on my set? If so, I haven't found it. And dropouts? Don't even get me started.
Even simple devices like digital cameras and wrist watches have menus that you have to navigate to get the device to do what you want. Often, this requires a learning curve.
And audio? It should be obvious how to work simple gear without reading the instructions!
But alas, there is hope. I have a biological replacement unit with a 5.1 surround system, but the bass module (sub) is driven with a 70's Kenwood receiver. The knobs and switches are reported as being more fun than the menu driven AV receiver.
I am genuinely concerned for the young people that have never experienced good analog. If digital takes over everything, many may never have that opportunity.
Regards,
-reub
Yes, I long for the control layouts of those early AM-FM Receivers. Don't want to grow old and lose my vision with the digital revolution all around me! Well, they'll have voice activated by then. Still, something is lost.
1. Everything has already 'gone' digital. Analog is in the past tense (or falling into the past tense) in almost every branch of everything. Audio is one of those rare topics where the analog technology is still considered as something more than an anachronism
2. As someone who has fully embraced the modern, I find the audio industry's obsession with obsolete technology to be one of its key causes of its demise. There are still a lot of people who agree with your 'no true audiophile' fallacy (and it is a fallacy of equivocation), suggesting the audio industry is outmoded, decadent and pandering to an antiquated elite
3. There is so much of interest going on in digital today, while turntables and tubes are mostly moribund. What and when was the last innovation in vinyl? I'd say Dr Feickert's Adjust+, which needs an iPhone or Android phone to work. Otherwise, it's just a lot of rehashes over old technology. Apart from David Bernings ZOTL, any new innovations in tube circuit design? Most of them seem to be warmed over variants of 1950s circuit designs. On the other hand, we have Async USB, networked media renderers, Tripath, media servers, class ADH, class XD, gainclones, KLEER, A2DP, a whole bunch of format options and high-resolution audio
So, are you surfing the web with an analog computer?
Bill
What kind of question is this? It makes no sense! It's like asking why did everything go to CD's or vinyl? I mean cmon. Things change people move on. This is hard to figure out?
And as you well know, one of the worst human traits is to be old-fashioned......... Worse than being racist, rude, or mean..........
Your posts make me wish for the "good old days of analog", when handwritten letters were still the order of the day.
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hand written letters are digital in nature.
No one here remembers the bending of our minds
Portable music players have done a good job of de-valuing the cd medium. Instead of complaining I suggest you buy up as many of your favorite digital cd's while the market is soft.
Like everything retro or fading, the market could bounce back. Enjoy the endless supply of cd's for dollars or under 20$...Things couldn't be better.
Yeah I love vinyl but I also love getting cd's of hard to find artists. I mean come on..what are the odds of getting a good chess for blue note LP for under 1.00? Vinylphiles might be cheap but lets give digital a break. The amount of titles are increasing and the price of CD is going down.
Cd's have been in the market place and still sell new for $14 to$22 when they cost only $1 to $2 to mass produce. I get plenty of great vinyl for $1 and do not buy much digital. CD sales nose dived because the big companies priced themselves out of the market
Alan
Our Goodwill has row after row. Seems ever estate sale I go to has hundreds not to mention garage sales. The last few I bought were as low as $.25 each. New vinyl is gonna cost you more than new cds (I never pay > $10/cd new). With few exceptions you'll see new vinyl in the $15+ range.
"I'd like to own a squadron of tanks"
I didn't like those particular CDs anyway, but now I think about the value of the plastic case!
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They're not supposed to have Stereo! I guess Quad is OK, though.
Sidney Harman was a Quaker.
Thank you for the correction. Just googled their respective furniture collections and the Amish collection look very modern traditional and the Quaker collection looks very original colonial. I'm even more confused now!
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We live in a quantum world afterall. Even your 'analog' is actually digital!!
How is the quantum world digital?
Alan
Just count the photons, 1, 2, 3...very digital. No such such thing as 1.3 photons!OK. You called me out. Is Space quantized? Is Time quantized just like it is in digital media?? Well, obviously if space is quantized, then time must also be quantized as they inhabitat the same continuum -- the space-time continuum of Relativity Theory (called continuum because it predates quantum physics).
Oh, I don't know: There is a planck length and a planck time which are very, very small. Are they the smallest possible measurements?? I think that traveling a planck length in a planck time gives one the speed of light! So what else is new ;-)
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"I'm not locked in here with you, You're locked in here with ME"
...and why do you keep posting?
don't know exactly,The big one is Laziness, instant downloads, hurry, hurry, hurry etc. Take it out of the sleeve put it on the TT then have to get up to flip it over, are you kidding, that's 10 feet away !! I do know that I'm already making progress with my 14 years old daughter so she learns there are more and better ways to enjoy music than her Ipod, cheap ear buds and 128 Mp3's are giving her. Over the past few months she somehow decided that she is into Queen, and sat with me watching a good portion of Jeff Beck Live at Ronnie Scot'ts DVD,she decided Jeff Beck isn't terrible and learning that her music and even my "old" stuff sounds a lot better on daddy's stereo. Since she is careful and respectful of my things, I let her use the TT or CD player when she wants.She has made the last 2 trips to the mad platter with me to look around and wants a couple of LP's for herself. Taylor Swift is one, I can't remember the other .I have her interested in better electronics, better sound now I just have to make sure it sticks !
Portibility
Alan
I feel the same way about all this new-fangled stuff like auto-gyros and light bulbs. My wife's washboard and lye soap works just fine, thank you.
Q: Why is everything going digital
A: You can't download analog
The return of Rip Van Winkle from his 20 year nap.
things change, and digital is the current change. People write about what's going on.
Still, if all you're seeing is articles about digital then I think you aren't looking around too much since I keep seeing a fair bit written on vinyl and the vinyl resurgence. I think you actually do see the same articles on vinyl that I do, you're just protesting because you think any article about digital is too much being written about digital.
"There was a time that if you didn't listen to vinyl and tubes no one would consider you a true audiophile. "
There was a time when vinyl and tubes were the current change, and their were people bemoaning the demise of shellac and mechanical rather than electronic playback systems. Things change.
David Aiken
I'm thinking rectal exams shouldn't still be digital but alas they still are.
nt
Painfully so in this case
This 'living under a rock' spiel sounds disingenuous.
Why would you think that. This is how I feel.
"It seems like you just can't get away from the digital evolution. All you see nowadays are articles about i-pods, i-pads, dacs, music server, streaming, etc, etc"
Exactly, how long ago is "nowadays"?
If you're being up front, that should not be a difficult question. Understand, we all know you're using the internet. Sure, this might seem retarted but since you asked, indulge me.
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