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In Reply to: RE: Sound Quality? Diana Krall? I didn't know she made any audiophile recordings? posted by Teresa on September 22, 2008 at 05:41:10
Sanctimonious.
"So in short you owe [SANCTIMONIOUS] audiophiles an apology buy grouping them with Dianna Krall lovers, these are entirely two different groups of people!"
"But I don't like Dianna Krall musically or sonically. So I am extremely confused by your statement that audiophiles listen to her for the sound quality as the sound quality is only fair at best."
The fact that you don't like someone musically or sonically does not invalidate someone else's likings.
rlindsa - new vinyl freakThere are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats. (Albert Schweitzer)
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Sonically her SACDs are so bad they could turn someone completely away from the format! I have no idea how anyone can say any of her 4 SACDs sound decent and keep a straight face?
As far as her singing and piano playing I will just say I do not like it but other people do and to enjoy her music I am sure they overlook the poor sonics. There are artists I like that I have to overlook poor sonics.
Just my experiences and opinions, yours may be different,
Teresa
as for a number of years I have been listening to a lot of music that is on neither 180 gram LPs nor on SACD (I don't even have an SACD player). And all this time I thought I was enjoying the music (and the sound) on these "non-audiophile" media. Guess I was wrong.
Fortunately, we have you to set us all straight on what "real audiophiles" do.
rlindsa - new vinyl freakThere are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats. (Albert Schweitzer)
I don't listen to audiophile labels only, I also listen to other labels. I even have some Deutsche Grammaphon recordings I listen to because of the music not the sonics.
I can overlook poor sonics if the music is good enough. All I am saying is people who love Diana Krall, love her IN SPITE OF the mediocre sonics. With Diana Krall it has to be all about the music and her performances. One either likes them or they don't. I don't!
I still think the original poster has her confused with Patricia Barber whose recordings actually have good to excellent sonics.
Just my experiences and opinions, yours may be different,
Teresa
You said:
"Real audiophiles listen to great jazz and classical on 180 Gram LPs and SACDs."
That means if one never listens to great jazz and classical on 180 Gram LPs and SACDs, one is not a real audiophile.
Is that what you contend? There are two possible answers to that question - "yes" or "no".
rlindsa - new vinyl freakThere are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats. (Albert Schweitzer)
So to rephrase "Real audiophiles listen to great jazz and classical on 180 Gram LPs, SACDs, and/or Analog Reel to Reel tapes" So the answer is yes.
But what does this have to do with Diana Krall's SACDs being just Jazz music and not good sounding recordings? You are going off on a tangent.
I don't listen to audiophile labels only, I also listen to other labels. I even have some Deutsche Grammaphon recordings I listen to because of the music not the sonics.
As I stated I can overlook poor sonics if the music is good enough. All I am saying is people who love Diana Krall, love her IN SPITE OF the mediocre sonics. With Diana Krall it has to be all about the music and her performances. One either likes them or they don't. I don't!
Just my experiences and opinions, yours may be different,
Teresa
and if yours is a representative position, I don't wish to be one.
I'm not going off on a tangent. You made an absolutist statement, I asked you about it, you confirmed it (with a minor expansion to include Reel-to-Reel). Seems like we've covered the topic fully.
rlindsa - new vinyl freakThere are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats. (Albert Schweitzer)
I'm not sure why you are excusing yourself from seeking the best sound you can? What else is there besides audiophile LPs, SACDs and Reel to Reels? Well If you can afford them there are high resolution downloads and there is the promise of high resolution audio only music discs on BluRay.
So if you are rejecting all of this that really only leaves Cassettes which you know I listen to and enjoy and CDs which I don't listen to because I do not enjoy them. I didn't include cassettes, even audiophile cassettes as they have been surpassed by the formats I mentioned.
So what gives?
And still no comment from you on what this sub-thread is really about. Diana Krall's followers have to actually love the music she performs IN SPITE OF the mediocre sonics. Given an example of what audiophiles would listen to was an example not what the thread is about. In short I can't imagine any audiophile would saying a Diana Krall SACD sounds realistic much less be of reference quality. This whole thread is a total joke! PEOPLE LIKE DIANA KRALL BECAUSE THEY LIKE HER MUSIC!!!!!!!!! And that is all I am trying to say!
Just my experiences and opinions, yours may be different,
Teresa
I AM saying that there are also recordings OTHER than 180g LPs, SACDs and Reel-to-Reel that have nice sound, too. Many of my best sounding LPs are not 180g "audiophile" recordings - heck they're not even "audiophile" labels (whatever that means). In fact, of my 1500 or so LPs, I'd guess that fewer than 50 are 180G LPs.
Remember it was you who made the blanket statement "Real audiophiles listen to great jazz and classical on 180 Gram LPs and SACDs." When asked, you added Reel to Reel to the list, and then confirmed that you did in fact mean people who do not listen to 180 Gram LPs, SACDs or Reel to Reel are not "real audiophiles".
Now, re: Diana Krall. I happen to enjoy many of her recordings. Are they my absolute favorites? No. Do I listen to them frequently? No. Is she the only jazz artist I enjoy? Not by a long shot (I have about 300 Jazz LPs from the 50s/60s to current).
Re: the sound quality of Diana Krall recordings. Yes, I actually enjoy the sound on some of them. Are they the best I've ever heard? No. Are they just "mediocre"? Not in my opinion.
Oh, and here are some !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!s for emphasis.
rlindsa - new vinyl freakThere are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats. (Albert Schweitzer)
they like her singing and piano playing NOT because of any perceived sound quality her recordings may or may not have!I still consider it an insult to call her recordings audiophile recordings.
And if some time in the future Diana Krall makes a realistic sounding recording on an audiophile label I will never know as I wouldn't purchase it because I don't like Diana Krall's singing voice. As strange as the concept sounds to some I prefer great sounding music from performers I love!
So you do own audiophile recordings. Well as noted I also own non-audiophile recordings, but I would never confuse the two.
FYI here is a list of some of my favorite audiophile labels:
2L
Analogue Productions
AudioQuest Music
AudioSource
BIS
Café Records
Cardas Records
Century Records
Chesky Records
Cisco Music
Classic Records
Crystal Clear Records
DCC Compact Classics
Delos
East Wind
Groove Note
Klavier Records
Linn Records
Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab
Naim
Opus 3
Reference Recordings
Sheffield Lab
Speakers Corner
Super Analogue Disc
Tacet
Telarc
Wilson Audiophile
Just my experiences and opinions, yours may be different,
Teresa
Yes, I own some of the labels in your list. Of the ones I do own, some of them make my "top 30" sonically, but most do not.Of my collection of 1500 or so LPs, here is what to my ears are the best sonically (by which I mean the most realistic sounding to me, without artificial emphasis or bombast). SOME ARE EVEN MONO - OH THE HORRORS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Make that !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Rampal, Jean Pierre Rampal Plays Bach RCA CRL3-5820
Starker, Janos Suites for Unaccompanied Cello Mercury (Speakers Corner) SR3-9016
Bernstein, Leonard Rhapsody in Blue and An American In Paris Columbia MS6091
Richter, Sviatoslav Liszt Concerto No. 1, Concerto No. 2 Philips 6880 046
Columbia Symphony Orchestra (Walter) Mahler Symphony No. 1, "Titan" CBS 37235
Moscow Philharmonic (Kondrashin) Mahler Symphony No. 1, "Titan" Melodiya/Quintessence PMC-7144
Amadeus Quartet Mozart The Great String Quartets Deutsche Grammophon 2720 055
Moscow Philharmonic Orchestra Mozart Symphony No. 41 in C major, K. 551 ("Jupiter") and No. 39 in E-flat major, K. 543 Melodiya 33 C 01515-16
Janis, Byron and Moscow Philharmonic Orchestra (Kondrashin) Prokofieff/Rachmaninoff Piano Concerto No. 3/Piano Concerto No. 1 Mercury SR90300
Minneapolis Symphony (Dorati) Rimsky-Korsakov Scheherazade Mercury SR90195
Moscow Philharmonic (Kondrashin) Shostakovich Symphony No. 5 Melodiya R 40004
Rozhdestvensky/USSR Bolshoi Theatre Orchestra Tchaikovsky Nutcracker Melodiya 33CO169
Wiener Philharmoniker (Abbado)) Tchaikovsky Symphonie Nr. 4 Deutsche Grammophon 2530 651
Concentus Musicus Wien (Harnoncourt) Telemann Darmstadt Overtures Musical Heritage 827515W Quite possibly my best sounding LP
Goossens, Sir Eugene (LSO) Various Respighi, Feste Romane; Rachmaninov, Symphonic Dances Op. 45 Everest LPBR-6004
Kubelik, Rafael (Bavarian Radio Symphony Orchestra) An Evening with the Bavarian Radio Symphony Orchestra Deutsche Grammophon 2721033
Baez, Joan Diamonds and Rust A&M SP4527
Lightfoot, Gordon If You Could Read My Mind Reprise 6392
Mitchell, Joni Miles of Aisles Asylum AB202
Taylor, James Sweet Baby James Warner Bros. WB1843
Brubeck, Dave Time Further Out Columbia CS 8490
Cole, Nat King Love Capitol T2195 MONO!!
Cole, Nat King After Midnight Pure Pleasure PPAN W782
Davis, Miles Relaxin' Prestige (re-issue) 7129
Dimeola, McLaughlin, DeLuca Friday Night in San Francisco CBS HC47152
Edison, Harry "Sweets" and Eddie "Lockjaw" Davis Jawbreakers Fantasy OJC487
Gillespie, Dizzy The Sonny Rollings/Sonny Stitt Sessions Verve VE2-2505 MONO!!!
Parker, Charlie Norman Granz Jam Session Verve VE2-205 MONO!!!!
Cowboy Junkies The Trinity Session (45 rpm) Classic/RCA RTH-8568-45
Lynne, Shelby Just a Little Lovin' Lost Highway B0009789-01
Orbison, Roy The All Time Greatest Hits of Roy Orbison Monument 67290
Ronstadt, Linda Lush Life Asylum 60387-1
Stevens, Cat Teaser and the Fire Cat A&M SP4313
rlindsa - new vinyl freakThere are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats. (Albert Schweitzer)
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