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I might have thought certain models from Wilson, EgglestonWorks, JM Labs, Wisdom, or Avalon would get the nod.But no. All these arguably great brands have their detractors.
How about Dynaudio, Audio Physic, ProAc, Thiel, Quad, Pipedeams, or Magnepan? Sorry: still controversial.
The closest I've been able to come to unanimity is the Vandersteen 5 or several of the Kharma models. They seem to inspire True Devotion in a largish number of followers.
Of course, I already know that the Quest for the Ideal Speaker is futile. All that stuff about system matching, room matching, individual taste, blah, blah, blah.
But what the hell. We're in a questing sort of mood.
What's your vote?
Follow Ups:
What about the great speakers from SoundLab??? The M-1, A-1 or U-1's?
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They simply sound more like real music than nearly any other speaker line ever created and unlike most electrostats (especially the full-range ones) they have real and powerful bass response with none of the blending problems that hybrids have. Besides for low-level listening they blow Maggies out of the water.
Any chance that the Apogee, or something similar, will ever be resurrected as a current production speaker?
I have a list but to make my list a speaker must meet the following guidelines:1. It has to have a bit of history. Speakers that were released last month are not legible. The test of time is important, especially in this hobby.
2. They are, or have been in the past readily available, meaning you could actually buy them.3. They can be expensive but they can’t cost more than the most expensive Mercedes or the cheapest house you can buy. Anything that cost more than that is really not available.
So hear is my list in no particular order:
The Advent Loudspeaker
Quad 63’s
LS3/5a’s
Any Tannoy Dual Concentric between 1950 and 1975.
Vandersteen 5’s--Dan
Awsome!!!
Just kidding
or seen in person.....
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Far more listenable... [-;
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That constitutes agreement doesn't it?
nt
Best Regards,
Chris redmond.
I think the main gripe against Bose is that some speakers are very ordinary and their systems sound ok but are poor value. The same dollars spent elsewhere would yield far better results.So why are some car manufacvturers opting to install Bose systems. Is it just another coup for the Bose spin doctor propaganda machine or are such car systems actually good?
John
Interesting times
Fully understandable that someone buying a Chevy would be "wowed" by a Bose system in their car. Scary thought that someone buying an Audi or other luxury car would consider it an "upgrade". Granted, the systems sound okay for factory. Nothing special, but don't make any major errors. Most manufacturers design some "boom" in the bottom end for appearances. Most people are audio stupid and this proves the case beyond a shadow of a doubt.Still, when I looked at an Audi a couple of years ago with the Bose system, I asked the salesman if they could pull it. His eyes got something like Marty Feldman and his mouth dropped open. "Why would you want to do that?!!!!" I explained that while I admired Amar Bose as a capitalist, he makes his money on the ignorance of others, and I'm not one of them. I am religously opposed to contributing to his coffers. To make it short, he had bought Bose speakers because they were on the Audis he was selling. When I referred to Amar as "PT Bose", he got a bit...ah...what's the word...upset? But not angry, more of a "sickened" look.
"Lies, Damn Lies, and Audio Specifications"
I had the same exchange some years back with an auto salesman.That said, the Bose system that came with my current vehicle is quite decent for a stock (but extra cost option) system.
I had to explain that I wanted the Audi, sans Bose. He thought I was nuts...really. Also didn't think I was serious. I bought a VW, sans Bose.
"Lies, Damn Lies, and Audio Specifications"
Well, we lease. The M-B we wanted was not available without a system and removing/replacing it on return is too much of a pain. Besides, the Bose 'upgrade' came free(?) with the model I got.That said, I don't really care. While I can listen to 'music' in the car, I cannot listen to 'sound.' I've never heard any car sound system that was worth the bother and, if I did, it would probably distract me from my driving.
BTW, the VWs can come with a Monsoon system (at least in 2002) which is superior to the Bose.
The epitome of high-end automotive engineering! Gaughhhh!! (I wouldn't care if I wasn't planning on getting one)I think it comes down to supply and demand. With their ads in Smithsonian, Nat'l Geographic, etc. most people think of Bose as "high quality" and "high tech". So the demand is there to support putting them into cars. Most people that would buy such cars are not audiophiles.
In reality, though, it doesn't matter. Anyone that can afford such a car can afford to put in a better system. So I am not mad at Porsche for that. I am just disappointed in Porsche because they should know better...
Geof
PS. Happy New Year.
There ain't no such thing as a fat-free butter pound cake! I want fried chicken! With ALL the skin on it!
...sound system is the best I've ever heard. Hell, I'd almost buy the car over again just for that.
Aahhh, take it outside.... :)
HAPPY NEW YEAR!
Char...
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Best Regards,
Chris redmond.
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I've never heard anyone say anything bad about Ed Frias' EFE Technology speakers. All comments I've seen are overwhelmingly positive (see links below). Of course, these are extremely limted production speakers ... but, surprisingly, not terribly expensive.
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...not without faults, but when properly set up and driven - truly exciting speakers.
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I third the late Great Infinities
None of them are perfect - no speaker is - but each in its own way
is damn fine. The other speaker I find truly excellent is the
Avalon Eidolon, even if it does cost $20k+.Mike
Excellent choices, all three. I've owned Vandies, own Maggies, would own Quads if I could.
never heard anyone say they didn't like tylers. (course, that's an invite for it, i spose). for a couple thou, there's the taylos, and so on up the line.. i've always wanted to haul my linbrooks up to the store and do some listening alongside some dynaudios. i did really like the 1.3se's i listened to a couple times.the reasons there wont be agmt on any given speaker tho is that there are different tastes, of course, and there's a lot of spread in the price range. my $2000 (used) tyler linbrooks probably would not cut it for someone focussed on $150K speaks, but they work for me.
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Absolutely.Also the Reference 3A MM de Capo-i; Vandersteen Models 2, 3; Harbeth Monitor series and others; several Maggies; and other such classics that have withstood the test of time.
Bass down to 20 hz, incredible imageing and accuracy, and great vocal reproduction, a real extended high end.....
God, the 801 Matrix surely must be at least mentioned here ?
As some of the responses show, the answer to your question is "No, we can't all agree, and furthermore some of us will prove once again what huge assholes we are!"Happy New Year everyone!
nope
To this day they kick ass.
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The ESL57's are a great speaker. I listened to a pair that Otto Major rebuilt ( the local Quad ESL guru in Sydney Australia) Before I head Otto's 57's I thought that the 989's were a good electrostatic but these 57's left them for dead. For maximum effect with 57's I would tend to go for Quad II amps with either Mullard,GEC or AWV valves.
I have used the Quad II, Dynaco Stereo 70, and -- very much to my surprise -- a Son of Ampzilla is amp now in use. With the Quads, it has no sound of its own, excellent dynamic range and is stable. Caveat -- stable so long as you let the caps discharge after turn off before turning it on again.
Vandersteen Fives, albeit from a very limited audition. Any speaker that can't play the gamut of musical styles at realistic levels is out of the race, I fear; subtlety is nice, but no substitute for dynamics and sheer power without distortion.
I've owned many different brands of amps, players, wires, pre-amps....I've only owned one brand of speaker (though many different models), and I doubt I'd ever be swayed to another. Dynaudio just does it right for my tastes.
...have you compared the Dynaudios?Inquiring minds...
HNY!
Larry
Serious comparisons were to B&W, Wilson, Revel and Aerial speakers. I've heard many other brands but none, in the price range I was looking at, have moved me the way the Dynaudio's have.
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