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In Reply to: RE: The precise mechanism is, to say the least, poorly understood posted by CG on March 20, 2021 at 07:34:40
Cryogenic treatment affects all materials, even plastic, non ferrous metals, ceramics, polycarbonate, paper, wood, etc. for example golf balls will travel further after cryo. Razor blades will last longer. There's more to cryo than meets the eye for audio applications, however. A lot more, it's not all about the relatively obvious physics. Perhaps another day we can delve into it.
Edits: 03/20/21Follow Ups:
Isn't that what I wrote?
Now that I re-read your post yes. Physically cryo redistributes the molecules or atoms more homogeneously, that's what relieves stress in metals - the atoms and molecules get mashed up when drawn, bent or rolled or formed. As I said in my last post there's more to it than just the physics of materials. I was one of the very first to use cryo for audio applications. Also one of the first to use home freezers for audio applications.
Geoff Kait
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Not too chicken to change
What inspired you to try it?
I was trying to remember what first inspired me and found a lot of threads on the subject of cryogenic treatment right here on Audio Asylum, mostly on Tweakers Asylum, and just saw a post of mine from 2000 where I commented I had been cryogenically treating things for "many many years."
My guess, circa 1987 because I recall it was after the release of the North Star LP of Arturo Delmoni's "Songs My Mother Taught Me," and we were in discussions with MFSL to make the CDs that North Star did not want to.
Herb Belkin believed that cryo was not necessary, because gold CDs were so good.
BTW, when I had a bunch of CDs cryo'ed for my own use, when I put on the Arturo Delmoni Ysaye-Kreisler-Bach solo recital, the woman I was married to at the time, who was a cellist and choral singer, recoiled and exclaimed,
"WHAT have they done to Arturo's violin?!?!? It sounds like a VIOLA being played in the fifth position!!!
That really happened!
jm
You beat me to it. I remember Meitner was cryoing his electronics and I know cryo had caught on in the early 2000s somewhat because Walker was using it on some of the parts of his fabulous turntable, and many high end cable companies were using cryo as part of their routine. I probably got the idea for home freezing from Peter Belt who promoted home freezing since the 80s, I deep froze all manner of CD players, CDs, LPs, cables. I first sent cables and CDs to the cryo lab around 1996. By 1997 I was cryoing steel rods and other hardware for my Nimbus sub Hertz platform. Getting back to the Belts for a second, they were the ones who taught me deep freezing non-audio related things produced better sound. Things like books, magazines, DVDs, photos.
Called "Museatex Cryogenics."
I gather that funding all that over the long haul got tired for Kurien Jacob, and so Museatex is now just an asterisk.
Ed is not only very smart, he is very funny.
jm
Jena Labs another nasa dude had an in-home operation dipping audio stuff in liquid nitrogen. Strangely, AudioQuest never got on board the Cryo train, which is weird because they're such big fans of directionality. (Troll buzzword) Other hi tech dudes like Purist and Shunyata most likely have been using cryo like forever. Also strange that Bob Crump and John Curl never got on board the Cryo train.
Bob Crump explained exactly why:https://db.audioasylum.com/mhtml/m.html?forum=cables&n=79362&highlight=cryo+rcrump&search_url=%2Fdefault.mpl%3Fsearchtext%3Dcryo%26b%3DAND%26topic%3D%26topics_only%3DN%26author%3Drcrump%26date1%3D%26date2%3D%26slowmessage%3D%26sort%3Dscore%26sortOrder%3DDESC%26forum%3DALL
https://db.audioasylum.com/mhtml/m.html?forum=cables&n=84763&highlight=cryo+rcrump&search_url=%2Fdefault.mpl%3Fsearchtext%3Dcryo%26b%3DAND%26topic%3D%26topics_only%3DN%26author%3Drcrump%26date1%3D%26date2%3D%26slowmessage%3D%26sort%3Dscore%26sortOrder%3DDESC%26forum%3DALL
And, Chris VenHaus has this to say: https://www.vhaudio.com/cryo.html
Note his comments at the very bottom.
Edits: 03/22/21
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Hey! I'm just reporting what Bob said.
I'll know better next time.
Bob's not here to speak for himself so I'll dispute what he said with impunity.
Plinius also at least for a while supposedly was into cryo.
jm
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