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What kind of mass media will appear as a main stream after DVD? Which one will be like that among Blu-ray disc, Network player, PC-FI? As I watched operas through DVDs a lot, I'm really interested in it. Please.
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iTunes Match will give them a good run. You cannot use DVDs on an iPhone.
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Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
Why HATE Apple? I can understand a preference, but this taking up sides with good guy / bad guy implications is too much.
I know why I prefer my Mac...... freedom from certain hassles most windows (networked) users are subject to and the constant war with hackers / script kiddies / pirates / and other assorted vermin.
I'm also aware of certain....limitations....involved, but on the balance I know why I went Mac.
Those people....several cousins, an in-law, friends and neighbors have all had good luck after the 'conversion'.
My brother, OTOH, had a motherboard melt in his HP laptop, fixed it than bought another HP! He would NEVER buy a Mac....simply because I recommended one. He has NO specific disqualifying software needs.
Too much is never enough
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Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
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Here is MY prediction:
Too much is never enough
All data, everywhere, available instantly.
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If a thing's worth doing, it's worth doing well
(Proverb)
I just think BluRay is a stepping stone. It really is not better enough to rebuy every movie i own.
When 4K arrives.. it will be worth the wait.
But with the bad economy, it may be a long wait.
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I don't know enough to have an opinion one way or another on if the attached article is correct but given how stunning the images look on my 70 inch plasma today it is hard for me to fathom how increasing the resolution and I suppose the cost is going to sell to the masses.
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The only time that I saw a realistic movie was in Showscan; it would have been difficult to stand up without holding on to something even though I was not moving. I have always wondered why movies have not progressed to that quality. I guess the answer is in your link.
The basis of the article is about the writere's own camera systems.
He discusses the problems with current camera sensors. and moves to frame rates. Explains why frame rates are important.
IMO NONE of that precludes a higher data rate. Whether from more pixels, or higher frame rates, more is still usefull.
As the writer describes in the article: you start with a data rate say 4K, and then you lose some..
So even though 4K may be overkill, why not? better than the way CD has been, with the minimum. Let's start with the maximum!!
Hell Yeah.
n/t
After that, why bother? Eventually, screens will fill the entire wall and we WILL need a new disc format ;-)
Blu-ray has enough expandability that it can be extended to handle 4K. BDXL discs with up to 128 GB capacity already exist, and compatible writers (like the LG BH14NS40). I expect "4K Ready" Blu-ray players capable of handling BDXL discs will appear very soon, and just need a firmware update once the 4K disc specs are finalized. 4K discs will remain a niche format for enthusiasts, although BDXL discs would be nice for one-disc box sets and media backups.
Blu-ray has been an odd format... the Sony Store had writable Blu-ray discs long before they had any Blu-ray writers to sell. So, finding "4K ready" players at Costco before 4K displays are commonplace isn't impossible.
Thanks. I didn't know about 4K terminology.
CD-ROM : Consumer Device - Rendered Obsolete in Months
still holds sway, I see ;-)
Apple is about to enter the home tv/movie market in a big way.
They've tried this before so who knows if they will succeed, but, I think we all know if they nail it, it could be a game changer. They certainly have the coin to pull it off. Their new TV's are rumored to be fantastical. And the business rags just picked up on their efforts in buying a cable company.
Before anybody makes any predictions I would wait a few months and see what Apple's got up their sleeve.
it's called iTunes.
I think those who say that streaming will be the mainstream media are correct. It's well on it's way to being that.
Me, I won't be giving up my analog and digital discs until they pry them from my cold dead hands. I refuse to be dependent on the Internet or any distant "cloud" for my entertainment. The Internet CAN be shut down, you know.
Plus the fact new vinyl and record players are still widely available encourages me to believe they'll be enough physical format dinosaurs like me around who want their dumb physical disks to keep them alive, if only as a niche.
Best regards, Ralph
Hey brother! I agree that streaming is the wave of the future, but until it goes full high definition I refuse to buy in (I have 100 Pandora stations but really need better quality files, they are only crappy mp3 and not even 320, even after paying). I have lots of wav files I've upsampled to 24/192, and with my Sansui 8080DB (but you knew that!!!), Klipsch Fortes and schiit bifrost I get killer sound. I rip albums left and right, and get great results upsampling with dbpoweramp. See you over at that other place!!!
Freedom is the right to discipline yourself.
> I have lots of wav files I've upsampled to 24/192 <It will never be 24-bit unless it was mixed 24-bit. What good does destroying the bit perfect signal from the source material by Upsampling do?
No new information is created -- once the original has been sampled at 44.1 kHz, anything above 22 kHz is lost.
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"It will never be 24-bit unless it was mixed 24-bit. What good does destroying the bit perfect signal from the source material by Upsampling do?"
You don't gain any signal. You substitute a filter of your choice in your computer for the filter that came with your DAC. Whether this will be advantageous or not depends on the quality of the two filters, how they complement your system, your recordings and your personal choice.
If you have an expensive high end DAC that comes with bespoke filters then you won't gain anything. If you have a low end or mid range DAC that uses the filters in the silicon chips, the chances are good that most CDs will sound better with a software filter. However, this only applies when upsampling 44/16 material. Upsampling higher resolution material may have little benefit, or it may make things worse, depending on the formats supported by your DAC.
As to the files being 24 bit. Last time I looked there are a few DACs that are good to about 23 bits, but no ADCs that come close to 24 bits. For that matter, for most classical music recordings which are distant from the instruments there is unlikely to be even 20 bits of resolution due to thermal noise in the microphone and microphone preamplifiers.
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
You might want to try slacker or mog or spotify for more high res content over pandora.
Cutting razor sounding violins
thumb drives rather than new optical disc formats. We'll see..
Tubes and vinyl are preferred.
Cheers, Jeff
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I watch television shows and movies on my large screen TVs, computers, and tablets all streamed via the internet or through the cable. I subscribe to services like Hulu and Netflix and Mog and Spotify and get more content than I could have imagined a few years ago.
Still a bit limited but streaming is all there will be in the future
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My logic must be rubbing off on you....
Dynobots Audio
Music is the Bridge between Heaven and Earth - 音楽は天国と地球のかけ橋
Agreed. The writing is on the wall.
I just hooked up netflix streaming through my apple tv. Limited sure but I watch way more because it is easy. For ex, I have a bunch of seasons of Star Trek (different ones) on dvd. I watched them when I got them for my birthday like 5 years ago. havent watched them since. But with Netflix I have watched a bunch of episodes recently, and many that I didnt own.
Disks are dumb.
My answer is streaming. And did you note the op said "MASS"?? There will always be some niche markets out there but physical media is decaying and will be all but dead in our lifetime.
Cutting razor sounding violins
If you want the highest quality picture and sound.
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I can stream a lot of movies at 1080P with 7.1 sound.
Are the discs higher than that?
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I had not heard of 1080p streaming or dts MA yet. If it's at that level, then maybe the quality gap has narrowed.
These pixels are not being transmitted with full resolution. They are compressed. Same as jpeg still images. Same as MP3 audio.
Compare the storage size of a DvD or a BlueRay with the bandwidth used to stream a download. You will see a huge difference. People who edit uncompressed audio files work with files measured in Gigabytes. People who edit uncompressed video files work with files measured in Terabytes.
A picture does, indeed, cost "1000 words". Whether it is worth this cost is another matter. When it comes to c*** Hollywood propaganda, count me out. Discussions of video technology and formats do not belong on this forum, anyhow.
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
Paging through "premium" HD movie channels in the highest-level Verizon FIOS package I have, it's very easy to see that 99.99% of it is made by f...ng morons - for consumption by even bigger f...ng morons.
What's the deal here?
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it has nothing to do with whether or not it is streaming
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N/T
"...it's very easy to see that 99.99% of it is made by f...ng morons - for consumption by even bigger f...ng morons.
What's the deal here?"
Kali Yuga.
"When people are so inert that they turn a blind eye to what happens around them, when they ignore the future of others, of society, even of themselves, when they remain blissfully unaware that they too have a significant role to play in checking the degeneration of society, then it is called kali yuga. They are asleep." —P. R. Sarkar
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
Hey Tony,
Nice quote.
Though if you really believe that stuff why hang out here? This audio thing is just one kind of sleep I am sure.
This sleep is the natural outcome of religion IMHO.
See old listener...
Even Sisyphus watched moronic TV.
Cutting razor sounding violins
This sleep is the natural outcome of religion IMHO.
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When I read the quote religion is the first thing that came to my mind.
Dynobots Audio
Music is the Bridge between Heaven and Earth - 音楽は天国と地球のかけ橋
Guess your logic is rubbing off on me too :)
Cutting razor sounding violins
Here's another quote from the same source, this time on religion:
Religions are based on external ritualistic observances, so they are preoccupied with physical objects. In the course of time, these physical objects become the objects of ideation. Take the example of cows. Cows are considered sacred by Hindus because they provide milk. Now, if cows are considered sacred for this reason, then what about buffaloes which provide more milk? They should be considered more sacred than cows. The followers of religious dogma do not like to discuss such issues. As a result of ideating on religion, the human mind becomes inert. No amount of discussion or intellectual persuasion can shake that psychic inertia. From childhood, human beings are taught irrational ideas, so when they grow up it is extremely difficult to remove preconceived notions. For example, students conversant with science know that a solar or lunar eclipse is caused by scientific factors and has nothing to do with the mythological demons Ráhu and Ketu. But even then, due to their inherent reactive momenta, they go to the Ganges and take a holy bath. Is this not due to ingrained religious beliefs?
Of course, if one says such things one is likely to wind up in jail, as happened to this author.
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
And another seer pierces the veil of time and tells us the future.
Nonsense.
It's over 30 years since the cd came out and record sales are doubling every year. Wait, I thought vinyl was dead?
Blu ray sales are going up every year. Hollywood makes a fortune on them. They aren't going away anytime soon.
Yes, physical media will co-exist with streaming.
But physical media is not going away.
"Lock up when you're done and don't touch the piano."
-Dr. Greg House
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You certainly have a way of taking what I said and taking it out of context.
He asked... "What will appear after DVD?"
And your answer is ????
My answer is posted above. BluRay will hold us over for now but it is enough. Nobody is going to invest in yet another format, it is not needed.
"Blu ray sales are going up every year"
You can cherry pick your statistics and yes BluRay is up but overall sales are down.
"They aren't going away anytime soon."
I didn't say they were going away "soon." He asked about the future, and in the future they are going away except perhaps for a niche market like the LP.
At some point bandwidth will be so cheap that physical media will be pointless. Barring a worldwide economic collapse it is inevitable. Google is putting in gigabit service to the home in Kansas City as we speak. You can quote an increase in LP sales all you want but you know that it is still a pittance.
In the foreseeable future there will still be some diehards who want DVDs just like there are some of us diehards who still buy records, but for the general population it will be streaming.
So answer his question...... what will appear after DVD?
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> > > At some point bandwidth will be so cheap that physical media will be pointless < < <
I'm not sure of that. I certainly don't see Comcast's prices going down. Assuming you get cable in your area. Fios? Not cheap or really widespread at this point. 4G? I live in the burbs 30 minutes from DC, and I can barely get 3G. Many will never have high speed broadband (> 3M), either due to price or location.
> > > Google is putting in gigabit service to the home in Kansas City as we speak < < <
Talk about cherry picking...
Wake me when it comes to my neighborhood. I can hardly wait to see how inexpensive it will be.
Jack
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To my point that internet service continues to improve,
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Not the same.
I cut my
.We're talking about people how people who want to get video will get it in the future.
Currently 94% of Americans who want to stream to their homes can stream, by 2020 100% who want to will be able to.Come to think of it, that actually does change the debate. I bet there are a hell of a lot more homes with access to hell of a lot more video content via the web than they have via any type of physical media within a reasonable driving distance.
I've been poking around a bit and the variety of movies and television shows offered by Amazon instant video and Vudu and Netflix and the rest of them is really amazing. Add in You Tube and all of the rest of the crap you can find and you are all set,
I'm currently enriching my life by watching an episode of "Arrested Development" from Netflix each evening.
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Edits: 08/21/12
More and more people are cutting the cable, deciding its not worth a couple hundred bucks a month. Maybe they watch movies on their iphone. The folksI know that cut the cable are using netflix DVD service and getting OTA TV. As I said earlier, Comcast's prices aren't getting any lower, if anything, they are going up. Yes, that is a factor, one that will keep streaming from reaching 100% despite the available technology.
As a side note, I've seen Netflix streaming service, and was unimpressed with the quality and selection. It needs serious work before it replaces their disc service. Haven't tried Amazon's streaming. I bought my GF a 40" TV that's Wifi ready.She uses it to watch DVDs. She does also have Netflix's streaming services. She used it a couple of times, to see some exercise videos before she bought them. She hasn't used it in about 4 months-due to poor selection.
Over in video asylum, someone is raving about Netflix's streaming's "near DVD" quality. Is that where you think we are heading? MP3's and their equivalent lo rez video?
God, I hope not.
Right now, DVDs and CDs are so cheap to make (BDs less so), and still quite profitable, I don't see anything replacing them for a long,long time.
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we're talking about the future, the current state of Netflix streaming doesn't enter into this debate
even then I can currently stream a fair amount of content from some providers at 1080p with 7.1 digital sound
you are stuck in the present
since you can't seem to get past that it is pointless to talk to you
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Availability is not the same as HAVE.
my current connection? 3meg DSL which nets about 2.5meg, since I'm near the end of the pipe.
I can't even stream 720p vids.
To get 6meg cable? That'll be 600$ a year, please. And they have a monopoly on such service. Verizon? nope...though my brothers 3/4g thing worked great and was fast. Too bad that has download limits and is pricey, to boot.
I could get Uverse service, but it is designed to bundle, which I'm not having. I don't like the equipment, either.
Best of luck, everyone, with the 'next big thing'.
Too much is never enough
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Kansas City was just an example of what is possible and what is to come.
Cellular possibilities expand, satellite service grows, etc. The future is clearly NOT with physical media.
You say you can barely get 3G. A few years ago you couldn't get that. Now you can. In a few years it will improve even more. The problem with you and others here is you can't think past today.
I remember when cell phones were carried in a 10 pound bag with a battery pack and you couldn't get reception unless you were inside a major city. Not many people thought you would now be able to be sitting in the middle of the woods a few years later watching a high definition movie on an iPad streaming from a cell tower.
You still don't answer the original question... What's next?
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100% correct. SD cards and the like will take over, but for the rest of my lifetime we'll be streaming everything from the cloud.
I certainly hope your right. The idea of depending on computers and the Internet for my music and movies really doesn't appeal to me at all. I've gone through more computers than record players in my life for example, my LPs are still with me.
Best regards, Ralph
Thank you all for your replies. They are much helpful to me.
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