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With so many CD recordings, especially rock, and even jazz, sounding so bright and bass shy, as well as lacking bass slam, it seems playing back these CD's in CD players that are classified as "accurate" only reproduces harsh sounding music. If one were to change the CD player (since it is the source) instead of amps and speakers, one would then choose a player that's going to play back these recordings with as full a bass and as little grating as possible. This has nothing to do with accuracy of the recording I know. I am sure there have been many of you who have been in the same boat, so what players did you find that solved or decreased this problem? Please don't say you went vinyl, that's not the point.Thanks in advance for all your responses.
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This player puts a lot of similar priced machines to shame with its ability to reproduce music that sounds real. There is no listener fatigue, just hours of enjoyment. Anyone who dismisses this player because of its shape or its origin is just ignorant. Everything about this player exudes hi-end: from its unique and thoughtful zen shape to its use of two 6H30 super output tubes. You'll play all of your CD's again rather than just the audiophile ones which you can only stand to play for a couple of minutes on other players before your ears are bleeding. At $3200 new, there's nothing that can touch it; at used prices that are nearly half, it's a no brainer. Buy it before they're all gone. Oh, and to the person who wrote that he did not like it because he did not have a place to put the lid, HA! Give me a break, how dirty is your house? And if you need more than two hands to figure how to put a disc in, you're pathetic. To the mass public whose ears will appreciate what a great CD player this is, you'll have this player forever. I know I will. And I only need two hands - heck, I can do it with one! Seriously, this is one very musical CD player, put it on your short list.
A warmer CD player will not do what you want to the degree you describe. I've been there. An amp with balls may help. A sub will do more than you can imagine, filling out and smoothing the mids.
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soo.. .. .. your advice is? Not to take you to task, but i have been impressed. I am breaking in a classic right now, and will compare it to a few highly regarded CDP. I am not biased, but the Creek EVO spanked the Rega Apollo. There is nothing wrong with down playing the Creek .. .. but why not enlighten us with you system or pick?
Admittedly, I have not been on the cutting edge of digital have just been so disappointed. The entry level Creek turned me on, in fact, I stayed up till 5am the first night i got it home just listening. Such was the step-up from my JVC/ Art dio (modified)
I own a CD50mk2 which is identical to the Creek Classic CD, except for the casing its in. If you would like to see my system setup just click on the (A) beside my name and that should get you there, or you can search through the inmate systems.You can dig through my posts, and even read my local dealer's response to your post, and you will see that I am very happy with my Creek. I think it is probably the most balanced CD Player in the price range I have encountered and it is engaging and fun to listen to and I have zero complaints regarding it.
However, the original poster said he was looking for a 'warm sounding' CDP. That's definitely not the Creek.
Of the player's I've spent time with I would say that my Monarchy M24 DAC, which I use the Creek as a transport into, is warm, the Cary 308 I heard is warm, and the Roskan Caspian is Warm/Dark.
So enjoy your Creek, I do too, but its not a warm CDP.
- Nathan Klassen
Hi Indycar,
I think you misunderstood Nathan's comment or you did not read his post about the Creek. He bought a CD50MkII from me. Before that, he has evaluated a lot of competitors including the Rega. I think it took him 2 years to decide on the Creek, not an impulse buy. However, there is really no definition of 'warm' or 'cool'. I would say the Creek players are one of the most neutral player. I could be warm when compares to a lot of players out there. However, Nathan is using a Monarchy M24 Dac. If he uses the Monarchy as reference, the CD indeed is on the 'cool' side of neutral. However, if I use the Creek (which has similar tonal balance as the BlueNote Stibbert non-tube) as reference, I would say the Monarchy is on the warm side of neutral. It really comes down to the reference point and what you compare to.Paul Lam
P.L.C.Lam Consulting Inc.
Sony 595. $150. Wanna' bump it up several notches? Add the standard mod
package from TRL for $750 and you're set. Hard to beat, even at twice the price.
æNormal is just a setting on my dryer.
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Oh man, does the Acute do a good job of getting the texture of instruments right.Others that have a golden vibe include the Meridian G08 and Cary CD303/300. But these come across as artificial, compared to the Acute.
A couple weeks ago, I blogged about the Acute, so check it out.
-Lummy The Seahorse
I'll put this unit up against anything, at any price. Yet it's based of "dated" 1990s digital technology and it costs under a grand.The key was what was changed in the circuitry inside. Including a 6BQ7 tube output stage.
Does he mod anything but that changer?
Cary players in general, and the 308-T in particular with suitable tubes. On the less expensive side I would suggest the NAD c542 (great on HDCD encoded material).
I find my Ack dAck 2.0 w/hi-res option, one of the best values in a non-grating, non-harsh sounding CD playing combo. This is an external DAC that you connect to your CDP/transport. The Ack's combination of high parts quality, battery based PS and Non-oversampling sound will give you much of what you're after. The bass, after the hi-res teflon caps were installed, is very nice. Responds well to cables and other associated equipment.
Another solution that I have found, is to insert a gold based wire from cdp to pre. The uppermost highs are a little bit rolled off but the sound becomes more musical and non fatigueing. Cleans up the edgy, bright situation. I've had good success with Stealth PGS gold & Audio Metallurgy GA-0.
Its made in china, but it is a very good CD player that has excellent build quality and it will also play RW discs.
Regards,
Brad
I haven't done much comparison, but with respect to my long gone Marantz CC4300, the Rega Planet is much warmer. People consider to have an "analog-like" presentation, which may be somewhat true, but I will not be the one to say it!
Lector CDP 7TL. This is a warm and very musical player without any loss of top end detail. Some say it is dark. I disagree and find it only lacks that digital glare that so many other expensive cd players have. I have owned many of the popular players and none of them stayed in my system as long as the Lector. If your system is on the warm side, it may not be the best choice. If your system is neutral or somewhat bright, it should work well.BAJ
my vinyl rig. I currently use a Benz L2 (Thorens 125II/Alphason/RougueStealth) but prefer the Shelter 501 mkII. Also I use tube pre&power ampsHow does the Lector compare to the vinyl set you have listed in systems
Looking to improve on the original AudioAlchemy transport and Theta cobalt Dac
The Lector does have an analog quality to it. I cant say that it is better or sounds exactly like my vinyl rig, but I can say that I do not prefer my Nottingham spacedeck over the lector. The lector has none of the digital glare or brightness (Unless the recording is terrible) that I have experienced with many other hi end players. IMHO The Lector also does not give anything up in any frequency. It plays all the music that is on the disc.
The Lector is a tubed player and it does respond to different 12at7 tubes used. I am using 2 RCA Command 12at7WA's. If you have a chance to audition a Lector, go for it as I dont think you will be disapointed.
I know what you mean about the Shelter cart. I need to update my system page as I have changed also from the Benz M2 to Shelters new 5000 model and it is much more to my liking than the Benz M2.Feel free to e-mail me with any questions, at "blainej55@msn.com" And I will discuss with you all of the other players I have used in my system. I will not discuss it here as I do not want to offend anyone.
Good Luck to you Valvesonly!!
BAJ
nt
This is a cd player with a tube output stage. I have exclusively cd's in my collection. This cd player makes all of them sound wonderful. I also bought the BAT vk300se integrated amplifier( a hybrid) I expected the highs and mids to be better but was suprised to find the bass was improved in a big way. Example: on eric claptons song "lay down sally", the bass using my solid state rig was thumpy and very irritating. I often thought,"did the recording engineers not listen to this before they released it". With the BAT rig the bass is controled and real. Bass is now the strings being plucked to the decay of the note. Voices are amazing and the highs are smooth. There are actually words that are being resolved that were burps on the ss rig. Example: The beatles "revolution" and INXS "the devil in side". Good luck
I though that the BAT was boring and lifeless in the sytem I heard it in (SET with Lowthers). Might be just the ticket for a system that tends to be bright.I recommend an Altmann DAC.
Perhaps it was the lack of bass in the Lowthers which gave you a "lifeless" impression, or the BAT's tubes were past their prime...anything but lifeless in my rig.
"Your liver suffers dearly now for youthful magic moments...so rock on completely with some brand new components"
Big, warm sound with primo bass extension. Very non-fatiguing.
"Your liver suffers dearly now for youthful magic moments...so rock on completely with some brand new components"
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