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In Reply to: RE: Was it not "Bill" Gaetz' job not to be surprised by Apple?... posted by Dave VH on October 19, 2019 at 15:59:44
False equivalency.
The ASR charlatan came to false conclusions and made rank amateur mistakes
in procedure. There is no science there. Just an agenda.
Follow Ups:
LOL! An dedicated technical expert makes a couple of errors among hundreds of procedures and corrects them when they are discovered and pointed out to him. How is that bad? Isn't that the way science works? Like all good science-minded people, Amir accepts corrections, and continues to make serious efforts to do science properly - unlike the people who pass off lousy signal-to-noise and high distortion as high-fidelity at outrageous prices.
Even Schitt bought a new audio analyzer after being called out for poor engineering by Amir - and they have since improved the performance of their cool and trendy offerings. What, in your opinion - is wrong with striving for low distortion and a high signal to noise ratio?
OTOH, PS Audio has been defensive, and are trying to justify their poor performance with respect to true high-fidelity electronics. But give them credit for publishing some of their lousy specs - hidden somewhere in the advertising copy.
Audio electronics used as fixed (non-variable) upstream tone controls or signal modifiers seems rather silly to me. Doesn't it make more sense to keep the character of recorded music flat and accurate as possible from source all the way to the speakers and then do whatever you want to the signal with DSP? Does it really make sense to randomly adjust the audio signal via sound-altering electronic components and cables.
And don't get me started on listening sessions where people can only hear differences if the know in advance or during the session what they are listening to. Ever hear of psychoacoustics - another branch of science? Are you aware of the proven fallibility of acoustic memory for moderate differences, much less small and subtle differences?
I am aware of the technical "flaws" in some of the gear I've owned over the years, but still thoroughly enjoyed it. In 2003 I owned a 2A3 Italian-made SET that was hand-built by Attillio Caccamo of Tektron. It was fed by a custom 6sn7 transformer-coupled preamp from Australian Mick Maloney, and the speakers back when I had a nice big living room were Klipsch Forte II's. Most of the components probably would have measured poorly, but I did not care.
Like most of the regulars at ASR, I believe that people can - and should - listen to whatever sound system and music they enjoy. But I just don't like "charlatans" who pass off amateur-level design and implementation as SOTA. Seeking truth while acknowledging errors when they do occur is perhaps why ASR is more than twice as popular as AudioAsylum in terms of WEB traffic.
Ok, I can see what is going on here. It is clear you have a passive aggressive attitude towards successful audio companies and their "trendy" offerings. I can see this is exactly the ASR target audience.It is also clear that the vast majority of ASR disciples have no zero listening skills and need a false charlatan prophet to tell them what they are hearing.
Quite telling that no company will send this tone deaf clown any gear, and he has to buy it outright, or beg or borrow.
Edits: 10/19/19
Quote: Quite telling that no company will send this tone deaf clown any gear, and he has to buy it outright, or beg or borrow.
Actually, companies that make well engineered components do indeed send units to Amir for testing. Apparently you don't know much about the website that you are disparaging. Many people drop ship new and ship old components to Amir for testing, willing to delay receiving or using those electronics for a couple of months just because of Amir's stellar reputation for honesty and accuracy.
Amir welcomes challenges, and if proven wrong, will admit it - but significant errors are infrequent - the forum itself is the peer-review platform - that's a good thing - wouldn't you agree?
Have you even noticed that companies whose products test poorly often attack the method but don't deny the data? Or they declare the bad results irrelevant and insist that the lousy engineering, designs and sub-par performance is not important.
Audioasylum ranks #240,000 in the world according to Alexa. WBF has sunk to #400,000. AudioScienceReview is at #104,000 - much more popular than both.
Clearly, there can be no rational discussion with members of a cult.
Amir is a dishonest, incompetent, and pseudo engineer with hate in his heart.
I'm sorry that you are unable to continue and respond to my honest and forthright comments and questions.
Anger and unjustified personal attacks can wear a person down. Perhaps another time - after you've actually become familiar with ASR and its rational, science-based approach to audio.
Nice circle jerk you have going on in that thread at ASR.
One brain dead ASR Zombie even posted about your dear leader:
"He's got fantastic values , has been courageous and unbelievably generous in his life. His story from start to now is inspirational and his true success in family and life is way beyond what most could even imagine."
LOL! I laughed so hard I got a belly ache.
Fascinating to watch angry losers flail about. Male egos are incredibly resistant to rationality and truth when they have been bruised.
Ego? Nice use of psycho babble.
I appreciate all the quotes at ASR.
I am on my way to being famous.
Now go ahead back to your circle jerk.
I think the applicable term is "infamous," not "famous." As in being infamous for opposing openness, honesty, rational thinking, and productive discussion.
Also, most people understand the meaning of the word "ego" and to refer to that as psychobabble, and then close with yet another childish insult is further evidence of irrelevance in the real world.
You want to get into the psychobabble?
Here is distinct proof that ASR not only not rational, but dishonest to the core.
The thread starter already knows, magically, that it won't "measure well" and that is is a scam product. And of course the scum slurping sharks circle the waters.
Then Amir, who Uptone won't even sell a product at FULL PRICE, a stance numerous companies have teken....encourages someone to buy it then return it within 30 days. This is border line fraud.
Then the whole thing spirals into a lynch mob...FOR A PRODUCT THEY HAVE NEVER SEEN, TOUCHED, OR HEARD....
Pre determined narrative...as usual. Despicable.
You talk about science? Let's see some of it from you instead of personal insults and senseless blather.
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