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In Reply to: RE: John Atkinson/ High Prices posted by mark.korda@myfairpoint.net on February 12, 2017 at 07:56:06
Here's my DIY project. $2,000 in materials.
The Shindo Petite speakers are $35,000(I think... maybe more!).
Yes... the Shindo's have tuned cabinets, and a crossover designed by a master-son. And my xovers are stuffed into a cigar box and I'm using 2x4's as legs (experimenting w various feet). I can custom tune my speakers to my room and choose caps, resisters and coils to fine tune the tone I want. The best speakers I have ever heard in my home.
And, I have $33,000 left over to buy music. Anyone have a collection to sell?
With the exception of Kondo and a few others, paying 10's of thousand of dollars per component in the search for better sound is a fools errand.
This perception is not something the audio industry (especially the press) can making a living from.
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Awesome int amp for less than $500. I was pleasantly surprised by the smooth, natural sound of this 30 year old Yamaha CA-1010.
Hi Hifi Tommy,
Thanks for being kind. I appreciate this. I'm sorry for opening up such a ruckus but;
Aerial's site on the computer does not mention the drivers makers only size and features. With a little Columbo work again I can almost prove they use Satori drivers for the woofer and tweeter. These are high end and designed in Denmark but made in Indonesia.When I built speakers in the 80's I could buy Dynaudio drivers which at the time were made in Denmark but now have moved to China. At the time Dynaudio and Scanspeak drivers were the tops.
I have not heard from anyone checking the Parts Express catalog for the cabinet I mentioned but I don't want to keep beating a dead horse.
I love DIY speakers and Lokie you did a fantastic job on your speeks....Mark Korda
Regarding the PE cabinet, what exactly are you interested in knowing about them? They're inexpensive, made in China, and work reasonably well. You get what you pay for. As for the Aerial drivers, from what I see, the woofer is an SB acoustics (not Satori, which is a high end SB driver). Knowing Mike Kelly, it is likely modified from the standard unit. The tweeter appears to be a ScanSpeak ring radiator, not an SB tweeter. As for Aerial and Hornslet cabinets, this was their original supplier, but Hornslet is now out of business. I assume Aerial gets their cabinets from the Far East, like just about everyone else.
Hi Seas, I know SB and Satori are connected. I checked that tweeter out with both pictures side by side. If it is a Scanspeak Satori duplicated it perfectly...take anther look.
I think I was right all along about the cabinets. You may have destroyed the hopes of many for great Danish or Nordic craftsmanship when talking cabinetry. My favorite speakers have always lied in the classic Dynacos not just because of the sound..Seas driven, but of the beautiful cabinets for a very low cost. I don't know how the Danes did it.
Seas, if your from Seas I proudly have many of your drivers working flawlessly and giving great sound in my shack, my favorites as I said. I hope you still make them in Norway.
I made a pair of Weems pipes this summer. They use Vifa co-ax,s I got for 15 dollars each. My grandmother was Danish, I'm a house painter, so with a little Frog Tape and a little buzz I painted the flag on them also hoping the Vifas are still made in Denmark. Don't tell me if they aren't....Mark Korda
I am from SEAS..USA division..now retired but still doing some work for the company. Just to clarify...are we still talking about the Aerial 5T? If so, that certainly is a ScanSpeak tweeter, not an SB. It has the metal bullet in the front. SB doesn't have that design, as it's patented. The Dynaco speakers were from a time when the Dollar was extremely strong against the Danish Krone. That's what made it possible to bring in the A25 at such a low price. Unfortunately, that situation changed radically in the later 70's, killing off all the Danish made Dynacos. Vifa is basically dead as a driver company. Tymphany in China bought it and Peerless, and basically killed the Vifa brand. ScanSpeak is still making some of the classic Vifa designs under the ScanSpeak "Discovery Line"
Sad about VIFA and Peerless, that whole deal sound senseless , BTW , what ever happened To Audax .... ?
Vifa Ambiance Tweeter ...
(http://www.sbacoustics.com/index.php/products/tweeters/satori)
Hi Seas, sorry I don't know your name. This Satori tweeter looks identical to Stereophiles picture of the Aerial. I could not see the silver bullet on what you said is the Scanspeak tweeter. It looked like light reflected from the photograph to me. The screws and cocentric rings look exact. Maybe Clayton Moore could of spotted it. Thanks Seas.
While I got ya on the Asylum could I ask you what makes the Seas co-ax 8 inch with what looks like a paper whizzer cone worth over 800 dollars. Are there different magnets of some sort?.....take care.... Mark Korda
Take a look at the tweeter above. Change the color of the bullet in the middle to silver and compare it to the tweeter in the Aerial. Not a reflection. The Aerial has the (patented) bullet on it.
The full range 8" you refer to is part of the Exotic Line. Papyrus cone, Alnico ring magnet, acoustically transparent spider, fully hand made, hand lathed and finished wood bullet, very limited production. Compare it to Feastrex, Lowther, etc.
Hi Seas,
thanks for the info. Those pictures were great too...Mark Korda
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