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In Reply to: Wireworld vs Analysis Plus posted by SoftwireEngineer on November 16, 2002 at 18:34:26:
I don't know as well, but I avoided Wireworld for the longest time because I thought they were not competitive with the 'newer better' wires out on the market...I have the Equinox III's for a 2.0m run to my power amps and they have bested mega $$$$ wires in this application.
Perhaps some people can convince yourself that $20 wires sound better...but I demo'ed these and couldn't go back to my previous wires. I had not purchased them in advance which should rule out the 'experts' who claim that since I spent the money on the wires they should sound better...I didn't buy them until I found out that I couldn't listen to the wires I had.
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Kev,
The audiophile craze for the 'next best thing' is spawning new companies but not necessarily new technologies. Some of them are just old wine in a new bottle to use the cliche.
I am surprised that Analysic Plus chose to compare their wires to standard solid core wires instead of similar (like Wireworld) technologies.
It would be interesting to see Jon's take on this coax vs hollow oval technologies.
These are just my personal opinions on the two brands.Wireworld makes some good stuff, but does not have the kind of exposure in retail outlets that the other major brands do, nor do they advertise as much.
The basic concepts behind the Wireworld cables is good sound physics, and the only potential downside, is the use of braided conductors, which might invoke the dreaded "strand-jumping" effect. While much has been made of this, it does not seem to be as large a factor as other issues, and also seems to depend on the actual implementation and copper purity.
They do use superior insulating materials in their higher priced models, and some of these have sounded pretty good to me.
As for AP, as far as I am concerned, their 'oval' is just a gimmick to get a patent, and I am very dissappointed in the use of 'science' to bash other cables, while their own 'science' is not necessarily theorectically superior or preferrable. Theoretically, a perfectly concentric cylinder would be superior, given that they are not implementing a true ribbon conductor geometry.
They work and sound good aside from the oval shape, rather than necessarily because of it. To me, the biggest downside of the AP cables is the lack of a superior insulating material between the conductors. Heck, even Goertz has come out with a teflon insulated version of their ribbon cables.
...and the only potential downside, is the use of braided conductors, which might invoke the dreaded "strand-jumping" effect...This may be a dumb question, but why is "strand-jumping" not a factor in the braids of the coax's you like, such as 89259? Seems to me you still have current travelling through many small adjacent wires.
Indeed, there is the possibility that this will occur, and it helps to realize that 89259 and the other commercial cable recommendations I make, are based on what is available commercialy, and what sounds the best to me (and others on other systems), rather than ONLY theoretical considerations.ANy stranded wire, or any braid that doesnot have individually insulated wires, may be prone to this effect.
In the case of the 89259 braid, the braid layer is not very thick, nor does it have a huge amount of skin effect or self-inductance issues to drive the strand-jumping action. So any amount of strand-jumping that might be occuring, will be relatvely small.
This would also apply to the braids in the above mentioned cables, and should be taken to be only a comment on the theoretical nature of the situation.
Jon,
Thanks for the comments. Your opinions are inline with my own views as well. Especially, the 'oval is just a gimmick to get a patent'. I wanted to say this earlier but you spoke unequivocally.
I think, Wireworld does not use braided wire, only AP. They just wind the wire around the core. I dont know the gauge of these wires. Also, in higher end models, the strands are individually insulated.AP people must have found the coax design of Wireworld to be better while consulting for them. They came up with a 'oval' twist to get a new patent. Wireworld does not seem to be good in their marketing dept. But they seem to be making very high priced cables and they would find it tough to sell these without marketing.
AP wires do sound good, but I doubt they can beat the Wireworld wires for the same gauge and insulating materials.
had the wireworld polaris for 3 years and tried one day the AP Clear Ovals IC's. I was suprised that the AP had more clarity, body and warmth. I bought the pair.
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