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Hey all. I own Tekton Lore/Heed Obelisk SI + X2 PSU/CA 840C CDP. For speaker cables, I am currently using Supra Classic 6.0 which was for my last system. They are fine but I just want to try another speaker cable/interconnect with this new system of mine to gauge some differences.
I am currently looking into Clear Day cables as they seem like an amazing value and everybody seems to rave about them. Any experiences with this combo? Anyone compare the single run to the shotgun run with high efficiency speakers?
Thanks in advance. :)
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I knew I should have added something about the "body" comment. You say one potentially negative thing (which is not the case here) and you get flag wavers on the attack. The Clear Day is absolutely more accurate. The perceived body element of the Supra Cable is nice on intimate pieces like folk, simple small ensemble stuff, etc but it slowed down the sound and muddied the midrange during intricate passages in more complex music.
Single Shotgun by the way. And I will postface this post by saying I absolutely LOVE these cables. They have made the most noticeable impact of any cable I have tried in the past. At their pricepoint, they are a STEAL.
I know you're referring to my post in reply to yours below, but of course, there was no "attack" (nor any flag waving, in fact). Why not just reply in-kind to an authentic and legitimate concern regarding how we deal with our perceptions?
Congrats on the new amp! Glad to hear you're liking it so far.
I haven't had a chance to hear the Clear Day cables, though from all the positives I've read here I am curious about them. I currently have the Black Cat Morpheus that were just upgraded from the previous Beta test versions I had, and the new ones are even more impressive than those were. Don't have a lot to compare them to except some old Emotive Audio cables from Fred Voltz and a pair of DNM Reson's.
In my system the Black Cat's strike me as more fleshed out in the midrange and treble than either of those two, with great speed and transient attack, but maybe not quite digging as deep or as kicking as hard in the bass as the Emotive cables. Chris is also one of those guys thats a great pleasure to deal with and there is also a great return policy as well.
BTW, these were the cables I used in my auditioning of the Heed gear.
I've dealt with Paul( ClearDay) in the past and he'll go out of his way to help you make the right pick. If you have the 98 db efficient Lore, I'd audition both the Single and the Shotgun. My guess is that you might end up with the Shotgun, but let your ears make the call. For the record, I've been a very satisfied ClearDay cable owner for the last three years. Replaced a pair of Harmonic Tech Pro 11's and never looked back.
My amp/speaker combination is older (Forté 4a, NHT Model 2), and after trying a few different speaker cables, I was so happy with the Clear Day Double Shotguns that I ended my search for anything else.With Paul's generous demo option, there's certainly nothing to lose in trying his cables (he'll be the first to suggest a demo, as he understands that no matter how good the cables, certain combinations of amp/speaker will prefer one type of cable over the other - and he wants you to enjoy your sound, whether you buy his cables or something else). He's also one of the nicest people you could ever hope to deal with, so I found that giving him my money was truly a pleasure! :)
By the way, recently, I helped a friend put together a brand new system, and I recommended he try the Clear Day cables. He's using the "Single Shotgun" arrangement (with Silverline Minuet Supreme Plus monitors, and a Rythmik F12G subwoofer, along with a hybrid tube/ss integrated amp), and he absolutely loves how his system sounds. Having worked at Carnegie Hall for over 20 years (recently retired), he's used to pretty good sound. :)
Edits: 08/10/12 08/10/12
I had a look at Clear Day's web-site and have a few doubts about these cables. First of all, it mentions that it is solid core and mentions that it's 24 GA. I use heavier gauge cable for hook-up wire! But if you go shot-gun, then the gauge increases of course, along with: "doubling the conductors increase size and depth of the sound stage, provides more 3 dimensional imaging, and a more liquid and warm sound". So why would anyone buy 24 GA speaker wire with less than optimal imaging and soundstage capabilities? And of course speaker wire has nothing to do with imaging and soundstage capabilities.
I sent them an e-mail asking for inductance specs on shotgun cables and they didn't know.
Paul will send you a pair to listen to - for just the cost of return postage. Let your ears tell you what your eyes and calculator can't - then decide what any of it means.
Bingo. Couldn't have said it any better. Let your ears be the judge. I've had the "garden hoses" in the past and I'll take the ClearDays.
I suppose I could do something similar with all the cable vendors - try them all and let my ears decide. But to narrow the field, I'll stick with someone who can tell me what the inductance of their cable is. It's kinda' important.
I suggest you read what Arthur Loesch, RIP, has to say about solid core silver wire. Tempo Electric.
With Paul's free demo (well, very tiny cost of return postage when you return them to him), and his money back guarantee (on standard lengths), you have nothing to lose. If you refuse to try them simply to "narrow the field" because of some idea you have about "not enough information on inductance", I can only shake my head and offer you sincere pity.I don't understand anything about inductance, capacitance, etc., but I do understand musical sound. For me and my system (and this seems true enough for many others as well, with their very different systems), there's magic in these Clear Day cables. When it comes to music, I'll take magic over numbers any day, anytime, anywhere. :)
[edit]: A couple additional thoughts...
You might want to read the four reviews of these cables here in the AA "Reviews" section.
Who knows? Perhaps if measured, you may even discover that the Clear Day cables have the "perfect inductance" numbers you're looking for? Perhaps not? I don't know. In any event...
As I mentioned above, I don't need to know the numbers; I only need to know the sound of music.
Edits: 08/16/12
"... I can only shake my head and offer you sincere pity." Well, thanks for your sympathy.
I do understand capacitance, inductance and so on, AND musical sound. But darn it, I want to know the specs! Is that too much to ask from someone that sells cables?
When it comes right down to it, which is actually most important to you? The numbers? Or the music?
Just knowing the numbers in advance of hearing doesn't really and/or fully tell you what you'll be hearing. Only hearing--in your own room, on your own system--will. With a "nothing to lose" demo, is this not a pretty simple "no brainer", as it were?
Just sayin'...
Well, I'm sold. I have had the Clear Day Shotgun cables in my system for the past week and a half and am now an owner. These cables are a tremendous value and Paul is a true professional who provides service that is rare these days.
Compared to the Supra cables I had in there before them, the shotguns are more airy and extended on top, the bass is WAY more punchy and tighter, imaging improved, and separation of instruments and timbre has improved. The only thing the Clear Day gives up on the Supra is a little bit of body but everything else completely trumps it.
Every system is different, so I don't know if what I'm about to mention is actually the case in your situation, but I do feel it's worth mentioning nonetheless...
When moving from one cable, component, or speaker to the next, I suppose it is natural enough to try and "break down" the sound into various categories of evaluation, but I also believe this can lead to never ending confusion. At some point, you have to listen to music "as a whole", and decide if it's "right", or not. Just taking note of one or another "separated aspect" of sound relative to that same aspect with a different component says nothing about which one may, or may not be "more accurate" in terms of overall musical sound reproduction.
So you mention more "body" with the Supra cables, and relatively less "body" with the Clear Day (single "Shotgun" or double?). Once "body" is defined, ask not which is "more" vs. "less", but which is "more accurate".
I don't know what the answer will be for you and your system, but again, I do feel it's worth asking this question rather than simply juggling relativities.
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