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Now I have to buy MORE of them.
Damn.
All I did was stick the new four meter cable on my Furman powerconditioner in place of the Pangea three meter regular AC9.
Right off it was different.
First warmer than normal, and the clarity was off. but twenty minutes that cleared up.
What seems to be most noticable is an increase in dynamics. A little better bass.
As it all was off a conditioner (but still keeping all the positives from being on a conditioner)
So there is that.
Music is a little more 'interesting. Whether that is just my putzing or real is ???Part of my own ?? is the length. Does four meters matter some? Or can I just buy a three meter and stick it in this spot and move the 4 meter to what I bought it for which is from Furman to amp.
Listened to some of my favorite stuff. Carmina Burana on Telarc (original) is nice. PJ Harvey 4 track demos is as annoying/crappy as it should be. Amazing stuff anyway, crude as it is, then on to To Bring You My Love. much better sound.
Mozart Extante jubilante with Emma Kirkby. great. (i love her voice.)So it is interesting to my own experience that i can say a better powercord, just an upgrade, makes a noticable difference TO a power conditioner from the wall. Amazing. This is three hours after plugging it in.
So far it seems worthwhile. And I probably have to buy a few more. This is the part that pisses me off!!
Right now listening to one of my all time favorite i use to compare stuff: Slagerij Van Kampen "Long Walk on a Short Pier". o love it. All his other (later) stuff is Musak, but this one is great african based music. Jeez the bass really is better. from midbass on down. Better 'punch' too.
Wow. i am delerious. And STILL PISSED OFF I have to buy more of these Pangea AC9ES powercables.. Grrrr...Added: after another day of break in. What I still notice is the greater dynamic, and slightly stronger bass... More balanced across the sound spectrum than before. Prior it was a little lean. Now more natural. more PRAT is a feeling i get. better attack too.
All from one cord from wall to conditioner... i am suprised.
And i am pretty sure i am leaving it there. If i buy another one for power conditioner to amp.. maybe. All of this is naturally subtle. but really hearable.
This was a worthwhile purchase.Added more: two days in: listening to Rossini: Barber of Seville and notice a greater clarity and sense of subtle intonation detail in singers voices. This is a recording I have owned since early 1980s.. I must have listened to this a hundred times by now.. So i know it pretty well.... Also as if 'blacker blacks' in place around voices? Easier to hear detail.
Even later. Now I am just used to it... though i do feel it is better than it was before.
More later... The one feeling i get is warmer. Just a better feeling to the notes. Like putting in a really great preamp tube can better the sound with a good tube. Just really sings.
I hit a home run with this cable and sticking it in this location.
natually it is not just the cable, it is the confluence of all the parts happen to make this work well for me.
Edits: 08/09/12 08/09/12 08/10/12 08/10/12 08/11/12 08/11/12Follow Ups:
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With a AC9SE on the power conditioner, the amp, and the tube buffer the sound is great. When i add on on the Bryston preamp, too thin.
I can take off any ONE cord, and it is OK.
I feel bad i do not want to send back one AC9SE cord. but I cannot find a useful spot for it now.
So there really IS too much of a good thing.
Seems the problem is the cumilative effect of cords. like daisy chaning conditioners. (which, naturally i have tried in the past)
So what to do??
While daydreaming last night the solution: Stick my old unused Monster Power conditioner for just the cord which seem to fail due to doubling up.
So I stuck my Monster HTPS7000SS into thewall, with just the Bryston BP-26 with the Pangea AC9SE (and also VAC Standard too)
Well it seems to be good. So the plus of the AC9SE, and not the leaness problem.
Have to use it for awaile with more music to see if it is really fine. But so far it seems to be a good resolution to the dilemma.
The mids and all are good again using all four cords.The Monster is a little more 'steely' than the Furman. The Furman has a slight golden glow to the sound, where the Monster is harder.
Edits: 08/24/12
It is the usual tradeoffs. Clearer but sterile.
Two are really great, three is good, adding the fourth kills it all.
I love the sparkling bell like liquid highs with two.
Three does not take that away, four? loses it. So the fourth is really the pickle.
I have tried hard to make this work, but finally i have to say i am sending the last cord back. With the cheaper Pangea I would just stick them in the closet. But this is $300.
For around $300 I can buy a set of unterminated Kimber 12TC.
So that is the plan.
Is the improvement of the 7 AWG over the 10 AWG the contributing factor for better sound and what is the sound signature of the Pangea AC-9SE?
Thanks,
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What's the sound signature of the AC9 SE?
Thanks,
Finally my Sony SCD777 on Redbook CD sounds way better than my DAC.
Took long enough.
Maybe time to start looking for a DAC upgrade.
(i had my SCD777 sitting not in use due to no place to put the top loader. As it did not sound any better than my changers via the DAC, I did not care.
I finally took off a third TT I actually have near zero use for, and stuck the Sony SCd777 there.
So i can reach the SCD777 and load it seated. (Did I mention i am one lazy girl?)
Edits: 08/17/12
Now just think about the improvement you get get with some good power cords.
" longer is better ",LOL.
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My digital stuff is of lesser quality than my other bits.
When i was able to spend a small fortune on new stuff, I decided the pre, amp and speakers were what was most important, the phono upgrade.
Digital stuff was sort of ignored. (i tried a little and was a fail)
So anyway, the Pangea AC9SE was not so great on the digital PowerConditioner.
Etched, just tossed the balance back to upper registers, instead of the lovely balanced presentation the first cord on my anlogue conditioner.
I ripped the SE off the digital PC, and put it on the Furman to speed break in, and took the broken in SE and stuck it from Furman to amp.
Back to a nice balance.Later: Woo Hoo Bingo, Jackpot! the second four meter cable on the Bryston BP-26 preamp is a winner. I had to try it one last place, and it is good. (Naturally it came OFF the amp, but that is OK, I just nedd to buy one more.)
I was hoping the big cord would be better than the four meter AC14SE that was on the preamp, and YES it is.
So now I have three seven the jackpot, and just need one more, for the amp to be happy.So messing with cords to actually listen to what is good, what sucks.. Sometimes the tradeoff is not worth it.
Yeah more detail..but just not good. Like the Vac Standard pre,it sounds better with an AC9 than an AC14SE.. though I still want to try a AC9SE on it too. The Bryston is better with the AC14SE than a AC9
I guess I am not selling ALL my pangea AC9 for a good reason.The AC9SE two meter seems to be good on my DAC. So maybe the Pangea AC9SE just does not agree with the PS Audio P600...
I left the system playing Bach unaccompanied cello YoYoMa all night.
Added: tried the AC9SE two meter on PS Audio, still just not good.
Then i stuck it on the VAC Standard preamp. (the power supply for the VAC is on the floor ,so a two meter can just reach it) OK, a little clearer more 'you are there' sound. so that can stay there for now.
I still have to take the AC9SE off the amp to try it on the Bryston preamp. That wire has to be four meters..
I wish Pangea would have a one step up from the 14Se.. I would wait for that for the Bryston preamp.. but i want to try the AC9SE on the Bryston preamp just to see how it sounds.So far, all in all, one little step closer to real.. for $750.
Bought three 9SE sold two 9, but i still have a pile of extra cords..Later: So I moved the four meter Pangea AC9SE from amp to Bryston BP-26 preamp. Good! this is a good place for it too. The cord that was on the BP-26 was a Pangea AC14SE. The AC9SE is a worthwhile upgrade.
So far:
Pangea AC9SE (four meter) added to Furman REF20i power conditioner from wall.(repleced Pangea three meter AC9) Fabulous synergy, best of all, one cord only upgrade would definitely go here.PS Audio Power conditioner: no, the sound actually became more etched,loss of lows, just the opposite of what the other power conditioner ecxperienced. Tried the two meter, still not good. Better with the Pangea AC9 for certain.
Adcom DA700 DAC two meter here instead of AC14SE a little better. might consider buying one for it. not a big change.
VAC Standard preamp I use as a glorified tube buffer, had two meter Pangea AC9 tried Pangea AC9SE, better ,worth it, keeping the new two meter AC9SE on the VAC.
Byrston BP-26 just did it, seems good. have to let the cord settle. Seems first thought, better.
Amp to Bryston 4B-SST2 good, adds a bit to the mix, but not nearly as much as the one to Furman. Seems to just keep the same sense. The AC9SE has more inpact on the preamps, both VAC and Bryston. But I plan on buying a third four meter for the amp.
So for amps, preamps good, for a Furman PS, spectacular, for me anyway.
That connection to the Furman was a real suprise great upgrade.
Though same cord on the other powerconditioner was a total fail.Final add: The bass with the Pangea AC9SE on the Bryston BP-26 is PUMPED!! (after, I took off the AC9SE from the Bryston Preamp. If was just too much bass to make me happy. For ANY normal person the bass was rockin' but i am not a bass freak at all. I prefer the sound a little warmer, less bass, and a little less etched.
So back to the Pangea AC14SE for the preamp.
Put my Magnepan 'wings' back on. I like it.
Final resting place for the second SE is PowerConditioner to amp.Playing a bass rich CD and it has really solid bass.
Since I am not much of a bass freak, it is a little much.. But then i can take off the speaker (Magnepan 3.6) wings for bass now.
Edits: 08/15/12 08/15/12 08/15/12 08/15/12 08/15/12 08/15/12
Lizzy, because over the weekend I was busy tweaking my DAC to improve the treble smoothness and switched out a fine (unshielded) VH Audio power cord for the AC-9 - and liked the Pangea better. Every time I substitute in an AC-9 for another power cord, the result is improved sound with less harshness and a richer sound palette. I was thinking of starting a thread describing my experience but you beat me to it.
I do have a technical question: why do AC cable makers often stress that shielded cables are better for digital equipment like transports & DACs. So these digital pieces produce EMI/RF, but that EMI/RF permeates the entire surrounding area, so why is it important to shield just the digital cables.
If you have a non contact voltage detector, (my favorite is GreenLee GT-16 (About $18 now on Amazon)
You can find all that stray voltage around stuff.
If you have on (and the GreenLee is the best working and easiest to use) you will find the garbage follows the path of least resistance.. the wires!
So an A/C wire to a DAC or Cd player is carrying and emanating all that stuff it's full length.
(Nice that Pangea are totally shielded)I wonder if the regular voltage 'helps' spray out the HF freqencies as riders on the EMF? I would think so.. but that is a guess.
Edits: 08/14/12
I have two AC-9's which seem to work great on tube equipment. Kind of too dry and resolving for solid state equipment though. I have had better luck with softer sounding Discovery PCs for solid state.
I hate upgrading, too, because it never stops ;-)
I have gradually come to accept the Pangea have to be respected, and their placement planned carefully. With Pangea, longer is better, as i allows me to lay them carefully, rather than just however they fit.
I have a screen area down the center back of the racks, and zip tie the cords to the back of the screen, carefully. On the floor they are stacked/bundled against the baseboards. Thus allowing the interconnects to be on the in side of the screened area. The zip ties carry any weight of the heavy cables.
Laughing...
It's like when one does not realize some little thing is missing... Until it shows up, and then WOW, NOW it is perfect. Like it seemed perfect before, and i did not know anythng was missing, then BLAM!!! here is exactly what i was missing, and i never knew it.(well to be honest I knew my system was a little lean, but i figured it was a tradeodff I never could adjust for..Wrong!)
PS I am not trying to sell anything here.. I really am blown away that one stupid cord in a place I never expected it to make any difference COULD make such a profund, but subtle difference. And it is even the same brand of cord, just a little better...
Pangea Dude is my one true love...
I reaffirm my title of "Pangea #1 Fan Grrl"
Edits: 08/12/12
and it's still breaking in, so more good thimgs to come. And if you find a good match for your PS600, even though it's a AC regenerator, that power cord can be as a funnel (just like all the others in your system) - if it's not going in, it'll never get out.
I've been in your position many times: my system is sounding great, if I mess around with it, it may sound worse - right now, it's got synergism. But if you don't try a few things here and there, one never knows the true potential and I'm still being surprised with mine.
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'Cause I bought three of them yesterday on the basis of your review to replace regular AC-9 PCs in my setup and take advantage of their 50-buck trade-in offer. I should have given you credit when I called (the other) AA to order them :-)
Well, maybe not that bad.. but money will be tight.
No going out and buying music for certain! At least until September anyway.
I sent in an 18 gauge junk IEC ended cord and got my rebate with it.
Anyone want some AC-9s cheap?
How much are you looking to get for them?
I've never heard Pangea's. I see the praise in here, but then I see some negative comments as well.
I am not sure what they are best at. I might try them on my monoblock power amps.
Hukk
I figure why try for the Moon, even though they are rarely on sale.When i bought my first Pangea, idid not much 'believe' in powercords. That first Pangea opened my eyes. I coud immediately hear an improvement on my amp. i was hooked. Naturally i bought a pile of them.
Now, with getting the newer and twice the price plus AC9SE i have some Pangea AC9 overstock. 65% of current retail seems fair. and shipping is $12 for up to two via USPS
I have already sold two of them. I can handle dumping maybe three more.I certainly plan on keeping a few AC9, as they do have just the right 'sound' for some applications. Especially instead of Pangea 14SE on a few sources...
Oh yeah. and if this is too much just a cheating advert for my sale, then remove it..
Edits: 08/13/12 08/13/12 08/13/12
I have sold two AC9 already at 65% of current retail.
I just posted an ad here also. I figure i want to keep a few AC9 because i have discovered some stuff sounds better with the AC9 that the AC14SE in my sources.
So you might play with yours a bit after you get the new ones.
I still have seven AC9 and plan on certainly keeping a few around. If I can sell three or four more i will be happy.
Edits: 08/12/12 08/12/12
And thanks again for helping me pull the trigger. My three AC-9SE cables arrived this morning and are now singing away. First impressions are impressive -- definitely more THERE there -- but a verdict awaits some further break-in. I'm using the three on two SET monoblocks and a P10 regenerator from PS Audio.
One neat little bonus, for me at least, is that each of the new ones was about 2 inches longer than the equivalent AC-9.
Did you find the AC-9SE less "supple" than the AC-9? These cables in my system have to navigate some bends. Nothing too extreme, and the AC-9s can do it with a little effort. But if the AC-9SEs are really stiff, I may be in trouble.
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The AC-9SEs will replace AC-9s in the same three links -- from my PS Audio P10 Regenerator to the wall and from two SET monoblock amps to the P10. I've found that in my setup AC-14s and AC-14SEs sound much better than the fatter AC-9s on everything else -- line and phono preamps, CD/SACD players, and tape decks. The AC-9s sound kinda bloated on these but have done a great job on the SETs and regenerator.
Cool, Elizabeth. Now you can sell me your AC-9s...
nt
sooner or later you'd take the plunge. Glad it turned out positive, in an audio sense anyway. You'll just have to add more of them in time.
ET
Have you tried the amplifier straight in the wall? I have a 20 amp furman here at my video studio and when I tried putting an amplifier through it, the weight and dynamics were really surpressed.
I'm glad you like the SE-I may have to upgrade to!
The longer the better. Just today I put together a Cryomax III cord 11 ft. long. Previous attempts with this stuff at 4 ft. were disappointing. Today, no breakin, on Arcam Solo Movie 5.1 (as pre-pro) very good already.
According to the guys at TekLine, 6 ft. is minimum (2/3 benefit?) of a good cord. 9 ft. more better, after that diminishing returns. We all wish you the best, Mike.
I was looking at Tekline's website and noticed that when you go up in price with their power cords, imaging and depth increase. And of course the inevitable break-in requirement: "so the electrons can line up and saturate the wires and connectors".
Those pesky electrons lining themselves up are restricted to speed-of-light rules, but the magnetic surround field can advance from that (in time). Hopefully the insulation slows down that field so everything arrives at same moment, hence the length requirement (all cables). I'm open to any ideas to shorten cable length, saving money and space. Mike
I'm glad I read the whole post. The subject line would lead someone to think you weren't happy with them but it turns out your just not happy having to buy more because you like it so much more.
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