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I have an AirSine with Wattgate Gold connectors on my Exemplar Denon 2900 which I also tried on my CJ MV 60SE. It sounds very good on both pieces. The CDP is through a Hydra 8 (with an AirSine w Furu. Rhodium - a good combo), the Amp goes directly into a Hubbell 5362 wall outlet.
I recently bought an AirSine with the Oyaide Direct Gold connectors for the CJ and it also sounds really good on that piece (I was using a Flavor 2 with Furutech Gold), even better than the Wattgate Gold. It sounds a bit more transparent, a touch more resolving. It is also less warm than the Wattgate.
Interestingly, when I swapped the AirSines between the two pieces (Wattgate to amp, Oyaide to CDP) the sound of the system (Modwright linestage w Flav. 2 Furu. Gold, Aural B spkrs., VH Audio Spectrum ICs and Shunyata Gemini cables make up the rest) became bright and even a little glaring. I suspect this stemmed from poor synergy between the silver outlets of the Hydra and the Oyaide Gold connectors and I will try to confirm this when a Power Wing demo (w all three Oyaide outlets) arrives later this week.
So from this I've drawn two lessons:
1) a system can become so resolving that changes in connectors can have a significant effect on the sound, and
2) I will have to be careful in both picking and matching outlet and connector types if I decide to order a Power Wing.Which finally brings me to my question/request. Has anyone heard the other Oyaide connectors/outlets? Has anyone compared them to each other or to the comparable Furutech connectors (Gold & Rhodium)?
If so I'd appreciate (as I'm sure others would) hearing any feedback about them.
Thanks,
Rob
Follow Ups:
I should have noted in my post above that Alan Kafton provides free and extensive consultation on outlet/system matching with his Power Wing. I was just looking for additional feedback on the Oyaide as well as on the Furutech outlets and connectors.
R
....that the rhodium-over-silver connectors portray a more-forward presentation than the others. In my experience, the soundstage itself is shallow versus the deep and wide one presented by the direct gold and palladium-over-gold units. I would think that this would be consistent in comparison with the Furutech gold....and similar in presentation to the Furutech rhodium. I would bet, however, that the Oyaide will offer more clarity than their Furutech counterparts.I've not found the direct gold to have any "glare" when in contact with silver, unless the silver connectors don't have enough conditioning time on them (this is a separate subject with which we can discuss privately). Usually the direct gold 'softens' an otherwise bright presentation.
All the postings about Chris' Airsine report its neutrality....therefore, the connectors used have a big impact on the overall presentation. No doubt Duster can elaborate more about the Oyaide in direct comparison to the Furutech.
Whoosh, lots of pondering.Hi classfolkphile,
I'll first ask why a rhodium connector-terminated AirSine is the best choice for a Hydra 8 feeding a CDP. I consider rhodium AC connectors to be aggressive: quite dynamic in the upper range, less dynamic in the lower range, and better suited for tube gear than digital. The Hydra 8 has a reputation for it's naturalness which might be compromised by a rhodium terminated power cord...
What make/model AC outlet is the Hydra 8 connected to via the rhodium-terminated AirSine? Is it the same Hubbell 5362 as what the amp is connected to?
I'll reply with more opines...
based on my previous experience with my airsine on my amp and a furutech rhodium terminated flavor 4 on my running springs haley, i won't say the rhodium plating sounds aggressive, i will say it sounds lifely (maybe i just like a bright sound or my sennheisers are really dark, i had silver ICs, silver headphone cables and my michael wolff cord had oyaide silver/rhodium plugs).
remember we are talking about VERY slight differences here. for example, the wolff cord i had was anything but bright, so i guess the perceived sound of a cord is largely dependent on the cord and system matching.
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...per AC connectors in the upper regions, but I find it to be actually less dynamic in the lower regions (YMMV). The impression is one of imbalance to my ear as used within my SS main system, and if not a sole matter of dynamics; it tends to tip-up the subjective tonal balance in that system. However, I do use rhodium AC connectors in my two SS second systems which benefit from what I consider an enhancement factor, per se. my 2 pennys
Hi Duster,Yes, lots of pondering and yes fun - mostly - I'd kind of like to finish :-). It would be a lot easier if I just had AirSines of every connector type (3 Oyaides, 2 Furutech, 1 Wattgate).
I didn't say that the AirSine/Furu. Rhodium is the best combination for the Hydra, just that, IMS of course, it works well. This is in comparison to Shunyata Copperhead, Taipan and Python cords and not to any other AirSine. The outlet for the Hydra is another Hubbell 5362 and all of my gear is tube based while all of my other PCs are copper with gold connectors and all other cabling is also copper.
Chris V. states that the Furu. Rhodium is neutral sounding with the AirSine, hence my supposition that it was the Hydra's silver outlets introducing the brightness.
So, again, I would love to have every connector combination for the AirSine to play with but I haven't won any lotteries yet. Actually to do it right I would need at least a few of every combination along with one of each Oyaide outlet as well as Alan's demo Power Wing. Not to mention trying Airsines with different plated connectors on each end as you mentioned in an earlier post ;-).So now how do I escape from this Asylum?
Rob
Escape? Never! (just kidding...)OK, your Exemplar modified Denon 2900 has a tube output but it's still a digital device.
Here's my suggestion:
Upgrade your two Hubbell 5362 AC outlets with one Oyaide SWO-XXX (palladium) AC outlet, and one Oyaide SWO-GX (gold) AC outlet. Somewhat pricey but *very* worthy (if you can afford an AirSine, you can afford two Oyaide outlets ;-)...
Plug the Oyaide 079 (gold) terminated AirSine into the Oyaide SWO-XXX (palladium) AC outlet to feed your power line conditioner. This is the killer app combo for a wall feed to a PLC, IMHO (the combo feeds my system's PLC array and it's the bomb).
Plug the rhodium Furutech terminated AirSine into the Oyaide SWO-GX (gold) AC outlet to feed your amp. The gold Oyaide outlet should offer quite nice synergy with the AirSine's rhodium connectors to feed a tube amp.
Plug the gold plated Wattgate terminated AirSine into the Hydra 8's silver plated outlet to feed your CDP. I use a silver plated Wattgate 381 Ag AC outlet via a PLC to feed a gold plated Wattgate terminated AirSine and like the synergy, very much.
What about your preamp and other gear if any? Cheers
Thanks, Duster.The Furu. Rhodium AirSine has a 20 amp connector so I can't put that on the amplifier. If I prefer the Power Wing demo that should arrive tomorrow to the Hydra then I'll sell the latter and the 20 amp AirSine.
The Power Wing demo should help in deciding on new outlets and on connectors for additional AirSines (I've decided I have to have one on each piece of equipment: they're that good - so bank account be damned) but I only have the Wattgate Gold and Oyaide Gold AirSines to match things up with right now. I agree that the former will probably be best with the CDP (in my original post I stated that I found it warmer than the Oyaide) and I was considering that a Palladium/Palladium or Palladium/Gold outlet/connector combination would be best for the PLC so I'm glad to hear you agree on that as well.
I like the Oyaide Gold AirSine on the amp and I'll probably use it on my hybrid Modwright SWL 9.0SE but perhaps you're right and the amplifier should have a Rhodium or maybe a Palladium AirSine. Do you find the Rhodium "cooler" than the Palladium? Is one more resolving than the other?Thanks again for the input.
Yours in lunacy,
Rob
A palladium Oyaide P-049 AC plug mated with a palladium Oyaide SWO-XXX AC outlet resulted in a presentation that was "too cool and austere" (ruthlessly over-the-top) to my ear. Too much of a good thing, in this case. Use of a gold Oyaide P-079 AC plug is way better mated with the palladium Oyaide SWO-XXX AC outlet; sweeter, fuller and more musical with an open soundstage. A great synergy match.Ask Chris if the rhodium Furutech might be contributing to the issue or not, since I could be wrong about my opinion of how rhodium may affect your digital device as fed by the PLC's rhodium power cord. I'm sure Chris can re-terminate the rhodium AirSine instead of you having to sell it.
At this point (after reading your reply); here's what I think you should do before anything:
Upgrade your two Hubbell outlets with an Oyaide SWO-XXX and an Oyaide SWO-GX outlet.
If you plug the Hydra 8's rhodium AirSine into the gold Oyaide SWO-GX outlet, it will likely do a world of good and enable you to keep the rhodium AirSine placed on the Hydra 8.
Your amp will love a palladium Oyaide SWO-XXX AC outlet / gold Oyaide 079 AC connector AirSine combo.
Place the gold Wattgate AirSine on your CDP as mentioned.
Cheers
Ask Chris if the rhodium Furutech might be contributing to the issue or not, since I could be wrong about my opinion of how rhodium may affect your digital device as fed by the PLC's rhodium power cord.The Rhodium Furutech on the AirSine is a great match (most neutral in my experience), whereas the Rhodium Furutech on the Flavor 4 will result in a sound that can be a bit more analytical. The Gold Furutech plugs are the most neutral option for the "Flavor" series cables, IMHO.
I use Rhodium Furutech AirSines in my entire system and prefer them to the warmer presentation of the Gold WattGates and the Gold Furutechs. My system is primarily tubed based, but my source is digital only:
Hi Chris, I'm glad you responded within the forum about this issue. I don't like the idea of me misleading folks with a prejudice against rhodium AC connectors. I still wonder if the rhodium connector terminated AirSine would please my ear as much as the gold Wattgate version as placed in a solid state system such as mine, though. At least the topic has some more information to feed the archives with :-)
It is not unusual at all for SS folks to prefer gold plated connectors, so for others with SS systems your observations are likely spot-on. Gold seems to have a tube-like burnished quality to it that can tip the system more towards "musicality" in a system that may be otherwise lean towards the analytical side of neutral. For tube guys, the gold platings might be a bit too much. This all gets even more complicated if you introduce silver wire or connectors on the IC's, or cabling with solid teflon dielectrics. In then end, your ears are the best judge for your system, and nobody can prove otherwise!
That's why freedom of choice via a wide variety of connector options is so very nice :-)I did a rather intensive comparison of both gold and rhodium Furutech AC connectors and found the rhodium connectors to present in a rather non-neutral manner as placed within my solid state main system. The same rhodium AC connectors are doing duty in my two second systems (also solid state) which benefit from the rhodium AC connector's subjective "sonic push". Again, this POV is just IME, in my particular system(s), YMMV...
"If you plug the Hydra 8's rhodium AirSine into the gold Oyaide SWO-GX outlet, it will likely do a world of good and enable you to keep the rhodium AirSine placed on the Hydra 8."
The Rhodium Airsine is fine now on the Hydra 8 as long as I use the Wattgate Gold on the CDP.
Thanks for the rest of the input: it's helped focus my thinking. I'll let you know how it goes.
Rob
I'll also be very interested in your findings if you decide to upgrade your Hubbell's with the Oyaide's. Although not inexpensive, the price-to-performance ratio value is excellent, IME.:-)
nt
Alan hi,
I wasn't implying the Direct Gold connectors have any glare to them. I perhaps wasn't clear about that, sorry. Glare is something I associate with silver and if anything I suspect that the Oyaide connectors (& the AirSine) are just so revealing that the sound of the silver outlets (non-cyro'd I believe, perhaps that's the problem) was coming through. Don't know, but it really suprised me.
While it is possible that this mix of *particular* metals (with the Hydra/silver) could be less-than-satifactory, I would ascribe the brightness/glare more to a lack of conditioning....that's been my experience. Some formulations require many more hours, and of course, are helped greatly with a conditioning device. I believe that Shunyata cryo-treats all their products....they have an in-house chamber for that purpose. But I could be misinformed about their outlets....I simply presumed that they are cryo-treated. Grant Samuelson could inform you as to that factoid.
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