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In Reply to: RE: Arguing 'till you're blue in the face posted by RGA on April 16, 2021 at 17:17:21
Unfortunately I can't foresee much opportunity to do so.
It isn't that I'm closed-minded, but even my own listening, (which is after all over 50 years), has established my preferences. Consequently while I might agree that the high-end tube equipment listened to be you and, e.g., Morricab, sounds very "musical", I'm not likely change my preference for high transparency and crisper dynamics.
Believe it: I'm not trying to change you preferences, but I suggest that you listen to the system I suggested further up in this threat -- the financial cost is relatively low. You won't like it but at least you will have a better idea of what folks like me are talking about.
Dmitri Shostakovich
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How often do you actually get to go listen to live classical or Jazz music?
What I what is a faithful playback of the recording. If I don't like the sound I look for a better recording.
If you are hearing the sound accurately as recorded you will hear the maximum resolution, transparency, and dynamics -- and conversely that is generally a good clue that you are getting best accuracy.
Dmitri Shostakovich
I suppose I figure you might be like Peter Qvoptrup more than you think as he has a massive collection of Shostakovich is also around your age and has heard all the best competition and been to all the symphony halls world wide. You have an expectation bias that because it is a tube it is less clear - it's not the case. It is more "transparent" and "clear" and "Open" than typical tube amplifiers. I was fortunate because Soundhounds carried ARC, McIntosh, Wyatech Labs, Jolida, ASL and so I was able to audition various tube amplifiers that sounded "tube." I don't think your experience is wrong because I have heard plenty of "thick" "veiled" "bloated" tube amplifiers. Tube amps run a wider gambit of differences than SS. This means tube amplifiers can sound thick plodding bloated and slow. I don't want that any more than thin, bright, edgy, hollow, and artificial like the majority of SS (and some tube amps).
And as you have pointed out you are hearing differences with SS amplifiers where AMR says there aren't any and where the measurements don't indicate they should be audible and even worse where DBT's conclude people can't tell the difference.
There is only so much that people can audition and you just go by your own experiences. I have had complete turnarounds on gear as well. I remember auditioning an all BAT system and YG Acoustics with Ypsilon. I hated both of them at CES. Then at CAS - with the same gear I ranked them 1-2 best sound of the show. Audio Note didn't crack my top 20.
If this second show had been my first exposure to High-End Audio perhaps I would be sitting in front of MBL or YG Acoustics with the view that SET amps are a bizarre joke.
So it goes.
I've actually listened to a MBL TOTL setup, ridiculous speakers included.
It was nice - but would I spend $500k, or what ever it was on it - ah NO!
Do you have $500K to spend?
The arguments over price are a difficult road because what you say you would never spend could change if you won the $180 million dollar power ball. $500k would then be a chump change to you.
I was a substitute teacher in British Columbia in 2010. I never imagined I would be able to pay off my student loans let alone buy 5 figure Stereo components or ever own a house.
You never know what can happen. When I drove my Toyota Corolla to school back then I wasn't thinking "it's crazy to buy a more expensive car because after all, a Ferrari does the same job and it's crazy to spend money on it.
To me, it's crazy because I am not a car guy. I can appreciate that people have a need for speed - and they look prettier. Well, these are audio forums where people are anal about 5% better and even more anal about 1% better.
I may not hear it but they might. Similar to cars - people can spend $100,000 some may choose the sports car and some the luxury car or some the off-road capable SUV/Truck. They're all people movers but buyers value different things from each to suit their needs.
You can spend the $50k on a tube amp, a SET amp, or a SS amp.
My advice to people is to try out the top examples of the technology where possible before you outlay the cash. Turn over the rock.
I usually listen to speakers in three systems in three locations before I comment. And they can't all be under audio show conditions. I will comment on gear at the show but only as commentary at the time.
Speakers that are designed in such a way where the room will have a higher impact on the results like Omnidirectional, dipole, corner loaded generally needs a bit more caution on judging them too quickly. Sort of like judging a Ferrari driving off-road. You're never getting what the car is actually about if you're driving on muddy gravel roads or 2 feet of snow.
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