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In Reply to: RE: Devialet Expert 200 (A game changer) posted by Freo-1 on March 31, 2017 at 15:32:22
Another 10K lifestyle game changer for the 1%. Don't get me wrong, a 13 pound unit that avoids the need for system matching is nice, but the new owner has to have a computer to download software in order to operate the amplifier. What happens if you......can't get to their website??? Or, better yet, don't want to use a computer????
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I would consider a $10k integrated amp with built-in DAC and phono stage to be a decent value these days, if the performance is up to snuff. Not talking world class, but high end. You could still build a good system around it for less than an new economy car. So I would hardly call that a product for the 1%.
Regarding the comment about the computer, I don't get it.
In 2015 the average 'single' personal income was $30,250, according to US Census Bureau Data. You be the judge of 1%.
You need a computer to download data onto the Devialet via an SD Card.
What happens if.....in the future you are without the internet or a computer? Can you take it to your dealer for software upgrades?
Personally, if I was looking for an 'all in one' component, it would be
the Avantgarde Zero 1 HD system.
...households making over $250,000 per year are the top 5% and could easily afford one.
You think if we are without the internet we would still have high end audio stores?
You'd prefer the Avantegarde Zeros at $17,000?
Not to make this an ongoing economic discussion on affordable merchandise, but I did peek at your residence, and if you do live in the SF Bay area, the cost of housing alone would eat up your average household income; leaving it without a budget for even the purchase of streaming content.
Yes, the Avantgarde is expensive, but you would not need anything else.
The Avantgarde Zero 1 XD is a pretty interesting product as well.
I like seeing high end companies adopt fresh engineering approaches that treat audio reproduction more holistically. The old "separates" approach where you fill a rack with 17" wide rectangular boxes that perform one function each, connected by expensive cables and supported on isolation footers, is great for prying cash out of people's pockets in small increments for very little gain.
Regarding individual incomes, the top 1% is $288k or more. The country is full of middle class people who continually lease vehicles just so they can have a new SUV every few years, or buy boats or motorcycles or other toys, put in pools, or renovate their kitchens and bathrooms. There are lots and lots of people who could buy a $20k system including this $10k integrated, if listening to music is important enough to them.
Background Noise for the 1%.
Walter?
"What this country needs is a good 5 watt amplifier!" (Paul Klipsch)
You can get the 120 used for right around or under $3k which is the same amplifier, just a little less powerful and flexible. Amp, pre, dac, phono all included. Quite a deal.
Good response.
> Another 10K lifestyle game changer for the 1%.
What I like to do is try to find the game changers that are economical. I recently assembled a tube line-stage kit that I feel sounds better than my Pass Labs X1 and it cost a lot less than the X1, too. That's my idea of a game changer! ;-)
Very nice John. I also have hand built amps that were very reasonably priced to obtain. As great as the Devialet sounds, there are some music DVD's I have that sound great with the tube gear.
If you check out the audio sites, one can find used Devialet 200's from 3 to 4K. Considering all it provides, that is pretty reasonable for a top of the line audio setup.
There was a guy on another site who posted that he replaced 25K plus of equipment with a Devialet 200, and it sounds better than his previous equipment.
"What this country needs is a good 5 watt amplifier!" (Paul Klipsch)
I might like to build some tube monoblocks. Can you provide a URL for those amps?
Besides the possible addition of tube amplification, I'm pretty much satisfied with the digital capability of my system. I use an Oppo BDP-105D for all digital up through single DSD resolution and I switch to a TASCAM DA-3000 for playing DSD 5.6M.
Thanks,
John Elison
I think you'd really enjoy building a Raspberry PI streamer for your music. :)
Just got one. When will you drop by for free beer and help me get this thing up and running?
Will
Nothing in this hobby is going to suit everyone's needs. Some responses to your thoughts:
They are not McIntosh, in that they do not hold resale value. These can be had for 35 to 40 cents on the dollar of original price, so do not concur with the 1% remark. It could be argued that this could save budding audiophiles cash by not having to spend big $ on interconnects, changing out one box to get to the next level. The S/W update handles that for you.
Well, anyone who does not have a computer would not be reading this website to begin with. Do not see that as a valid argument.
What if a tube amp smokes an output power tube and takes things with it?
"What this country needs is a good 5 watt amplifier!" (Paul Klipsch)
Well, anyone who does not have a computer would not be reading this website to begin with.
I'm reading this post with my iPad. Would that work?
A iPad IS a computer. :-)
An, if you had the attachment to read SD cards, the iPad could indeed update the unit.
"What this country needs is a good 5 watt amplifier!" (Paul Klipsch)
After researching the topic, I see that there are indeed lightning to SD card adapters available for iOS devices.
Thanks for that realization. :)
No worries.
I need to look into a streaming option.
PS: Here is a picture of the 6AH4 Thomas Meyer clone that mates with the 1625 amp.
"What this country needs is a good 5 watt amplifier!" (Paul Klipsch)
I stated, "Don't want to use a computer." Must you have your Dealer perform the service? Technologically advanced, but Tubes amps don't have to rely on
an internet connection to perform from day one till their end of time!
Goodness no. The owner can easily update the software revision to the latest version. What is even better is the fact the owner can configure the inputs to meet their needs. It supports pre-out, phono in, and various digital inputs. In addition, if the owner changes out the speakers, they can go to the website and load the specific DSP curve for their speaker.I have a good friend who makes amps/preamps for customers. He eschews modern technology such as mobile phones and a computer. I'm sure if he had one of these he would simply bring it over to have updated/re-configured.
I've owed a lot gear over the years, and this thing just sounds better than the vast majority of gear available. I was skeptical when I first read about these, but, hearing is believing.
"What this country needs is a good 5 watt amplifier!" (Paul Klipsch)
Edits: 04/01/17
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