Here's a question on something I really don't know a thing about:In this era of hi-rez sound sources like SACD and DVD-A, what's the significance/impact of extended frequency range for/on the perception of speaker sound?
As we know, human hearing is more or limited to below 22 kHz, and so most speaker manufacturers, rationally enough, have been happy to settle with the 20-20,000 Hz range. But a lot of today's premier models are capable of notably good reproduction throughout ranges up to 40 kHz and even 100 kHz, using the newer generation "supertweeters" and other innovative engineering solutions (makers such as Vivid, Gamut, Marten, and Avalon come to my mind). These speakers seem to garner nothing but highest praise in listening tests, especially for their exquisite highs and the impact of these highs on the overall experience of the reproduced sound. Is this reaction simply nothing but a reflection of the great overall engineering job done (flat freq. response way up), or does the hyperextended upper range indeed somehow specifically matter for the way we perceive the sound, even if we can no longer hear it?
That's of course much in the context of SACD and DVD-A recordings whose response exceeds the range of our hearing.
The same question could probably be asked about preamps, too. Why do their range need to extend way beyond the limits of our hearing?
Sorry if this speaks of nothing but blind ignorance on my part.
TL
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Topic - Extended Frequency Range: Effect on Perceived Speaker Sound - tlyyra 05:22:55 04/19/07 (54)
- Oohashi study - KlausR. 07:17:41 04/21/07 (5)
- Re: did they test the supersonic signal on its own - KlausR. 08:25:49 04/21/07 (4)
- on its own and also intermodulating with LF - tlyyra 13:08:16 04/21/07 (3)
- Re: on its own and also intermodulating with LF - Pat D 15:07:23 04/21/07 (2)
- Kaoru & Shogu - tlyyra 06:56:03 04/22/07 (1)
- Re: Kaoru & Shogu - KlausR. 08:21:15 04/22/07 (0)
- Psychoacoustics... - mkuller 11:04:41 04/19/07 (45)
- Shaky research and logic - Richard BassNut Greene 12:35:09 04/20/07 (8)
- Which part is the shaky research and logic? - tlyyra 15:10:12 04/20/07 (7)
- Re: Which part is the shaky research and logic? - Richard BassNut Greene 07:33:12 04/21/07 (6)
- Re: Which part is the shaky research and logic? - tlyyra 11:42:57 04/21/07 (5)
- How dare you misunderstand my post and then insult me for no reason! - Richard BassNut Greene 07:32:46 04/23/07 (4)
- Re: How dare you misunderstand my post and then insult me for no reason! - tlyyra 10:41:34 04/23/07 (3)
- The air is an excellent ultra-high-frequency absorber -- the data measured at 4 feet from a trumpet are meaningless ... - Richard BassNut Greene 09:22:38 04/24/07 (2)
- The issues, once more - tlyyra 03:04:57 04/25/07 (1)
- I responded to mkuller: "When people add supertweeters, they usually report an increase in sound quality " - Richard BassNut Greene 08:20:59 04/25/07 (0)
- But why? - tlyyra 17:12:27 04/19/07 (35)
- Thanks for the good pointers - tlyyra 11:27:11 04/20/07 (0)
- Try here... - mkuller 19:58:05 04/19/07 (28)
- Dumb Study - Richard BassNut Greene 12:48:01 04/20/07 (27)
- You didn't read it - tlyyra 14:06:59 04/20/07 (24)
- Re: it's frequently cited in serious studies - KlausR. 07:56:30 04/21/07 (8)
- Oohashi - tlyyra 11:28:47 04/21/07 (7)
- Re: Oohashi - Kal Rubinson 15:00:37 04/24/07 (4)
- Not so fast - tlyyra 09:01:10 04/25/07 (3)
- Right: Not so fast - Kal Rubinson 14:07:10 04/25/07 (2)
- Re: Right: Not so fast - tlyyra 16:54:08 04/25/07 (1)
- Re: Right: Not so fast - Kal Rubinson 18:50:12 04/25/07 (0)
- Re: Oohashi - KlausR. 08:30:47 04/22/07 (1)
- Some refs. - tlyyra 13:37:34 04/22/07 (0)
- Didn't have to read much to recognize trash -- and here's why --- - Richard BassNut Greene 07:26:28 04/21/07 (14)
- Re: Didn't have to read much to recognize trash -- and here's why --- - morricab 08:05:11 04/25/07 (1)
- Brain scans are not proxies for what we hear when listening to music - Richard BassNut Greene 08:32:32 04/25/07 (0)
- Re: Didn't have to read much to recognize trash -- and here's why --- - David Aiken 13:53:27 04/21/07 (11)
- Frequencies below 15kHz. mask the audibility of frequencies above 15kHz. assuming they are audible at all - Richard BassNut Greene 07:57:50 04/23/07 (10)
- Re: Frequencies below 15kHz. mask the audibility of frequencies above 15kHz. assuming they are audible at all - David Aiken 14:04:51 04/23/07 (9)
- Where are the data to prove listeners could hear a difference with and w/o the ultra high frequencies? - Richard BassNut Greene 09:38:35 04/24/07 (8)
- Are these biases? - David Aiken 19:00:57 04/24/07 (7)
- They are if the study is to correlate with people visiting this website and the typical music they listen to - Richard BassNut Greene 08:46:36 04/25/07 (4)
- Re: They are if the study is to correlate with people visiting this website and the typical music they listen to - David Aiken 16:37:15 04/26/07 (3)
- Because the study results were used by someone here to support the purchase of supertweeters by someone else here! - Richard BassNut Greene 07:38:53 04/28/07 (1)
- Re: Because the study results were used by someone here to support the purchase of supertweeters by someone else here! - David Aiken 13:31:08 04/28/07 (0)
- Like we used to say in the seminary - tlyyra 01:20:24 04/27/07 (0)
- Re: Are these biases? - morricab 08:01:55 04/25/07 (0)
- Exactly - tlyyra 01:28:16 04/25/07 (0)
- Re: Dumb Post - Sordidman 14:06:03 04/20/07 (1)
- "No one can prove anything" is your brilliant conclusion? - Richard BassNut Greene 07:18:55 04/21/07 (0)
- Re: But why? - Pat D 18:27:19 04/19/07 (3)
- Re : intermodulation - KlausR. 08:33:01 04/21/07 (1)
- Re: Re : intermodulation - Pat D 17:24:28 04/23/07 (0)
- Excellent point from a good source. - Richard BassNut Greene 07:28:15 04/21/07 (0)
- Re: But why? - 20Hz 18:21:53 04/19/07 (0)
- Re: Extended Frequency Range: Effect on Perceived Speaker Sound - Kloss 06:26:54 04/19/07 (1)
- Re: Extended Frequency Range: Effect on Perceived Speaker Sound - tlyyra 17:21:06 04/19/07 (0)