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Hi Rod

Posted by jneutron (A) on June 19, 2003 at 09:04:03

In Reply to: Re: Hi John posted by Rod M on June 19, 2003 at 08:00:48:

""Do you really think Tony had any interest in this discussion other than to stir up controversy.""RM

Can you absolutely say he had no interest?

""I notice that he immediately posted over at AR wondering if his troll would be left to stand.""RM

He wondered if his "post" would be left. And I agree with you in that his post on AR asking that question should have been re-thought..

""I seriously don't understand what his point or purpose can be other than to stir up controversy.""RM

Well, ask him..

""That is how he has determined that twisted is better than coax, just by listening. So if I listen to a coathanger and a coax cable, and determine that coat hanger sound better, then that makes it truth :)

If that wasn't a sarcastic, personal attack, then please explain what it has to do with the discussion?""RM

While I personally didn't care for the wording either, he is indeed stating that to each's experience, "truth" in hearing is in the ear of the beholder.

""Sure, the electrons follows physics laws, but what's that got to do with the cables in question?""RM

Tony made a statement that price tag and physics do not necessarily correlate..

""Different geometries, different materials, different results. It's completely irrelevant!""RM

I believe those attributes are what the manu's push as the reasons their product sounds better. And, those attributes are discussed at length by all here..

""And what does it have to do with how the cable sounds?""RM

Everything...We just don't understand the tie in...

""The laws of physics do not depend on how many cables or systems he has listened to.JE
No, but it surely goes a long way toward having some relevant personal experience to share.""RM

Agreed..and if he had stated "relevant personal experience" is not necessary because of physics, I'd have been all over him too..

But the opposite would be to reject him because he didn't have a certain threshold of personal experience. Which is also not what you want to do. (not telling you, I'm stating what I think is your position).

""Jon...you are abusing your position as moderator. I have asked you many times to rethink your position.""JE

""Jon has had the most difficult forum to moderate. From time to time, moderators have to make tough decisions.""RM

Agreed. and agreed.

""From the feedback that I get, a small group doesn't like some of those decisions.""RM

That is to be expected, and something would be wrong if nobody expressed that.

""Another larger group would rather see more action and see it happen faster.""RM

The line between constructive feeback and radicalism, that is for you to decide..radicalism never produces the intended result.

""Personally, I don't see abuse here""RM

A changing of subject here, to show the flavor of what I speak...
Rod, please do not consider this an insult, this is to show the abuse I speak of..

You are uneducated in you ability to see what others have experienced here in that respect..You do not have the critical thinking ability, nor the social skills to make a clear determination in that regard..And, your command of english is, shall we say, lacking? Your inability to clearly see the abuse is a result of your own failings. You need experience with a thesaurus with more resolving power..

That statement would clearly be construed as abuse..(Well, I tried to make it that way, but I'm not too good at it).

""In any case, be careful what you wish for.""RM

I am being very careful in what I wish for..And I repeat...I want Jon to re-think his position..

I am not advocating his removal as moderator, which is what you seem to be implying of me..I am asking him to re-think the knee jerk attacks he uses towards people who do not believe the same as him.

I'm asking him to trade places for a while, and consider how his behavior towards others would be received if it were being directed towards Jon.

""From time to time, moderators have to make tough decisions""RM

Absolutely, and the decisions I've seen him make w/r to deletions and movings, I've not taken issue with any, even though some were towards me (arguably warranted, but hey, it's a judgement call).

But, as moderator, he also must police his own attitude. And place his own agenda on the shelf..

So, as to your first question?

""What do you want?""RM

I want to frequent a forum where ALL abuse is dealt with accordingly. Not selective enforcement..

I want a place where I can say "I don't hear a difference", that being based on personal experience (not mine, I speak in generalities here), and not be lambasted by the moderator for stating that observation, and being threatened with censorship or banishment. Civil posters who state such should be treated as well as someone who says they can hear a difference..

In fact, there are many instances where people who do state "differences" abuse those who don't, but for that direction, there is no moderation..

I only ask for one set of rules..

Thanks for responding, Rod..I realize you didn't have to..

Cheers, John

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