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Hi Jon

""I gave you the beneift of the doubt with regard to how insulting you were actually trying to be vs. mere insensitivity with regard to your original posted question. But this post leaves no doubt. This is a personal attack, and this kind of post is not allowed at AA.
Consider this a warning from the Moderator.""JR

Now lets see..Why not review the history of the thread..

Tony Said:::

""Electrons can not behave differently in a $1000 cable than a $100 cable because of price tag. They will follow physic's law in the cheaper cable as they do in a more expensive cables. You can not get around Physics law.""TM

In other words, the laws of physics are inviolate..He didn't say anyone doesn't understand them, or that they don't believe them..

And YOU respond:

""Your interpretation of what the limits of the "Physics laws" mean in terms of cable parameters and sonic performance does not seem to be springing from a font of experience.""JR

I challenge any physicist on the planet to disagree with Tony's assertion that the laws of physics are inviolate..(I assume, of course, that physicists will probably the best positioned to answer that question)..He did say that price tags do not change the laws of physics w/r to cable sonics..

""Despite an huge amount of posturing and posting, not one person has ever provided the data for how what we hear fully corrrelates with what has been measured or what has been determined to be our thresholds and limits of hearing. That is the case for a reason, the fact that no researchers have actually done this yet!""JR

On that, I feel we can all agree..nobody, not you, not me, nada, nuttin..

""How many esoteric audio cables have you actualy listened to on a fine system""JR

And how does that work into the laws of physics being inviolate??

""Until you have heard what can occur with decent cables on a fine system, what you post is mere extrapolation based on a decided lack of experience with high end audio, as well as common audio technical issues. Obviously, to say that coax is the ultimate interconnect, and that a twisted pair with an overall shield is worse, points to a decided lack of real world experience and exposure to what actually happens out there in the real world of high performance playback""JR.

The laws of physics do not depend on how many cables or systems he has listened to..

""That is how he has determined that twisted is better than coax, just by listening. So if I listen to a coathanger and a coax cable, and determine that coat hanger sound better, then that makes it truth :)""TM

Lets see...Wasn't this a quote from your website??

""As for your comment about me merely listening, the listening was under controlled blind conditions, and represents literally hundreds of man-hours at that point (I have probably racked up thousands by now) of controlled listening tests.""JR

He did NOT say "merely listening" He said just listening, as in, you have no measurement data to support your assertions...Gee, didn't YOU just say that???Hmmm Lets see..Oh, hear it is....again.....
""Despite an huge amount of posturing and posting, not one person has ever provided the data for how what we hear fully corrrelates with what has been measured or what has been determined to be our thresholds and limits of hearing. That is the case for a reason, the fact that no researchers have actually done this yet!""JR

Perhaps this is the "personal attack"???:

""The difference between cables becomes indiscernible when a cable address all of it specification as cable (such as quality shielding, low loss and capacitance, quality connections and tight grip on both ends). ""TM

Nah..Oh HERE I FOUND THE PERSONAL ATTACK!!

""This is the fundamental difference bewteen audio and these very high frequency signals. Sheer frequency is not the only factor, and once again, your lack of exprience with these matters is all too apparent.""JR

and here:

""Your interpretation of what the limits of the "Physics laws" mean in terms of cable parameters and sonic performance does not seem to be springing from a font of experience.""JR

and here:

""How many esoteric audio cables have you actualy listened to on a fine system""JR

and here:

""what you post is mere extrapolation based on a decided lack of experience with high end audio, as well as common audio technical issues. ""JR

So, you are right...There were many personal attacks on this thread...As moderator it is your responsibility to police this forum, to prevent anybody from those type of personal attacks, especially from someone who consistently does such..

Unfortunately, they were all posted by you...

Cheers, John

Jon...you are abusing your position as moderator..I have asked you many times to rethink your position..




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