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Posted by millen (A) on May 15, 2007 at 20:09:34

Bubba Ludwig can't walk, talk or open the refrigerator door - but he does have his very own Illinois gun permit.

The 10-month-old, whose given name is Howard David Ludwig, was issued a firearm owner's identification card after his father, Howard Ludwig, paid the US$5 fee and filled out the application, not expecting to actually receive one.

The card lists the baby's height (2 feet, 3 inches), weight (20 pounds) and has a scribble where the signature should be.

With some exceptions, the cards are required of any Illinois residents purchasing or possessing firearms or ammunition within the state. There are no age restrictions on the cards, an official said.

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• In Florida, dead people vote! - Enophile 08:56:35 05/17/07 (1)
  In Reply to: Illinois issues gun owner identification card to 10-month-old boy..... posted by millen on May 15, 2007 at 20:09:34:

  I also think there's a cat with an American Express card and a dog who got elected mayor of a small town.

  I like these tales of true dumbness. I find them more amusing than a threat.

  
  
  
  
  

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  • "In Florida, dead people vote!" I thought that it was Chicago. )MT( - J. S. Bach 10:24:33 05/17/07 (0)
    In Reply to: In Florida, dead people vote! posted by Enophile on May 17, 2007 at 08:56:35:

    
    Dave
    Later Gator,
    Crank up your talking machine, grab a jar of your favorite "kick-back", sit down, relax, and let the good times roll.

    
    
    

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• How ridiculous. - Prisoners 21:21:05 05/15/07 (11)
  In Reply to: Illinois issues gun owner identification card to 10-month-old boy..... posted by millen on May 15, 2007 at 20:09:34:

  On a related note, gun ownership rights vary by village and city within the state of Illinois. My village does not allow handguns even with a state-issued FOID card.
  
  

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  • \\\My village does not allow handguns even with a state-issued FOID card. ///....... - three_sox 21:29:25 05/15/07 (10)
    In Reply to: How ridiculous. posted by Prisoners on May 15, 2007 at 21:21:05:

    ....My kinda village!

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    • "My kind of village" I would agree except.... - Prisoners 13:20:59 05/16/07 (9)
      In Reply to: \\\My village does not allow handguns even with a state-issued FOID card. ///....... posted by three_sox on May 15, 2007 at 21:29:25:

      local laws do not prevent criminals from possesing firearms, only law-abiding citizens. Knowing that even if the homeowner is home when he decides to break in that there are no weapons present lessens any risk. Violent crime in my area is pretty rare, and my next door neighbor is a cop, but I would not want to rely on anyone else to come to my aid if need be. i would prefer that ALL handguns be collected and destroyed, but that genie left the bottle decades ago.
      
      

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      • The right tool for the job - plantsman 16:29:02 05/16/07 (8)
        In Reply to: "My kind of village" I would agree except.... posted by Prisoners on May 16, 2007 at 13:20:59:

        Shotguns with an 18" - 22" barrel are far preferable to handguns for home defense. The chances of someone breaking in while you are home are very remote but should that occur you would be much better served with a short barrel, 12 ga. shotgun loaded with #4 buck. You don't need a handgun.
        
        

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        • A shotgun might damage my audio gear! - Prisoners 22:33:16 05/16/07 (3)
          In Reply to: The right tool for the job posted by plantsman on May 16, 2007 at 16:29:02:

          A single round from a .44 Magnum or a .357 Magnum will case far less damage to my home with equally fatal results to Mr. Felonius Monk!
          
          

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          • Guns don't shoot up stereos... - dave c 21:24:47 05/18/07 (0)
            In Reply to: A shotgun might damage my audio gear! posted by Prisoners on May 16, 2007 at 22:33:16:

            ... people do.
            
            

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          • Reasons to be cheerful - plantsman 02:47:32 05/17/07 (1)
            In Reply to: A shotgun might damage my audio gear! posted by Prisoners on May 16, 2007 at 22:33:16:

            1) Intimidation factor - a handgun at thirty feet, especially in a dark house, doesn't look terribly threatening. Even if the intruder recognizes that you have a gun he probably isn't going to be able to distinguish a Desert Eagle from a target .22. Chambering a round on shotgun makes a noise that will get almost anyone's attention.
            2) Number 4 buckshot has 21 pellets is a standard load versus one bullet per round in your .44 Magnum. I'm glad to say that I don't speak from experience but I suspect that accuracy on the range does not transfer 100% to actually shooting at a person, especially a moving one. At interior distances a shotgun isn't going to be spraying pellets all over but you will have a much larger diameter impact zone than a handgun round.
            3) Most handguns, especially .44 or .357 magnums, have severe problems with over penetration. You don't want to take the risk of shooting your neighbor or someone from your household two or three rooms away. Your handgun only will cause less damage if you hit the guy squarely in the upper torso. Under many other scenarios it can cause far more damage than a shotgun loaded with #4 buck.

            If you have real concerns get a dog and an alarm system or move. Deterrence is always the best defense. Noting how well the average person drives a gun wielding general population is not going me feel more secure.
            
            

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            • "Severe problems with overpenetration" - Prisoners 13:11:19 05/17/07 (0)
              In Reply to: Reasons to be cheerful posted by plantsman on May 17, 2007 at 02:47:32:

              That phrase will never be used in a sentence with my name. But seriously, your points are valid. I really don't worry about crime and I'm not obsessed with a bunker mentality. In fact my neighborhood is fairly upscale and doesn't have much of a crime problem. (although there was a murder three blocks away two years ago in broad daylight that has yet to be solved) I simply have a problem with legislation that has little effect on the problem but restricts honest people.
              Anyone who believes that government (at any level) will protect them sould remember 9/11, Katrina, and the scores of recent school and shopping mall shootings. Our police departments are well-intentioned and are staffed with mostly brave, competent officers but too many times they can only react to, not prevent violent situations. That's why the only person who is responsible for my safety is myself.
              
              

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        • The 12-ga won't fit under my pillow - AbeCollins 19:31:18 05/16/07 (3)
          In Reply to: The right tool for the job posted by plantsman on May 16, 2007 at 16:29:02:

          But S&W will. ;-)

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          • Or in my glove compartment (nt) - nightdoggy 05:47:01 05/18/07 (0)
            In Reply to: The 12-ga won't fit under my pillow posted by AbeCollins on May 16, 2007 at 19:31:18:

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          • The very latest bed-side safety lamp is a must for the security conscious …….. - three_sox 23:26:26 05/16/07 (0)
            In Reply to: The 12-ga won't fit under my pillow posted by AbeCollins on May 16, 2007 at 19:31:18:

            

            .....or those who like to see who they are shooting at.

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          • I like your style! - Prisoners 22:30:06 05/16/07 (0)
            In Reply to: The 12-ga won't fit under my pillow posted by AbeCollins on May 16, 2007 at 19:31:18:

            n/t
            
            

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• Not 10 months but my 13 year old has had a licence since he was 10 years old ……. - three_sox 20:42:00 05/15/07 (2)
  In Reply to: Illinois issues gun owner identification card to 10-month-old boy..... posted by millen on May 15, 2007 at 20:09:34:

  .....….not a gun license but a reptile licence.

  Is that a gun in your pocket? Nope, just a snake!

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  • snakes don't kill people... - dave c 22:17:01 05/15/07 (1)
    In Reply to: Not 10 months but my 13 year old has had a licence since he was 10 years old ……. posted by three_sox on May 15, 2007 at 20:42:00:

    ... oh, yes they can!
    
    

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    • Depends if your snake is loaded ………. - three_sox 23:04:27 05/15/07 (0)
      In Reply to: snakes don't kill people... posted by dave c on May 15, 2007 at 22:17:01:

      

      .....I guess this is what’s meant by a trouser snake?

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• oh, well that's ok then - dave c 20:14:50 05/15/07 (1)
  In Reply to: Illinois issues gun owner identification card to 10-month-old boy..... posted by millen on May 15, 2007 at 20:09:34:

  "There are no age restrictions on the cards"
  It's better I don't comment.
  
  

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  • OK then, I will. - John_the_Scot 12:19:21 05/16/07 (0)
    In Reply to: oh, well that's ok then posted by dave c on May 15, 2007 at 20:14:50:

    What a stupid fuckin' law.
    
    

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