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In Reply to: Re: Dual vs. B&O; last time posted by mosin on May 9, 2007 at 21:09:52:
Second, he dismisses idlers with his reason being that he doesn't like them. Obviously, he doesn't know anything about idlers.do you think that intelligent people can decide they prefer turntables that are not idlers to idlers? i'm not sure your conclusion logically follows the prior statement.
unless you are saying that someone who dismisses ANY technology out of hand is suspect....
i just worry about the idler-as-religion.
(for the record, i've heard some idlers that did some great stuff and others that were lackluster.)
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I do not understand the idler craze. I thought they were done away with by their proponents because of their inherently higher rumble, especially when the rubber ages and is less compliant.
I don't want to argue about this as to each his own.
I always liked Lenco and even PE tables and would certainly not turn my back on one that was in good shape.
...agreed on the point about the rubber aging. i think the proponents argue that a modern idler -- or one brought up to modern standards -- can sound very good.to my ear, that can be true. they can also sound quite colored.
i find this to be true for just about any technology, though. there are good idlers & bad, good DDs & bad, good belt drives & bad.
i can see the appeal when spending little-to-no $ on an old idler & restoring it. when you get to the $20k idlers (shindo), it's less a value proposition.
at that level of investment, there are ALOT of choices that sound very, very good (and some that sound flat-out awful, too!).
money doesn't always equate to taste, style, or good sound. :(
unless you are saying that someone who dismisses ANY technology out of hand is suspect....That is exactly what I was saying. While it is true that I use an idler driven turntable, keep in mind that I have also commented favorably on belt driven models that I have used in the past. And, only the foolhardy would dismiss a properly executed direct drive turntable. What you can feel free to dismiss is the mid-fi garbage of yesteryear. That's why you can pick one up on any given day for peanuts. They go by a variety of names...including Sony, Pioneer and Yamaha...which is not to say that all turntables by those names are bad...just 98% of them.
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