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I hadn't bothered with these until today - the CD layers of the hybrids are quite nice (I'm sure the SACD is even better, but I have a DVDA-only deck), and I didn't see much point in buying the vinyl digital remaster. Found a used copy of "Big Hits (High Tide and Green Grass)" DSD at Princeton Record Exchange this morning. In reasonably good shape, but not perfect, so the price was right for a sampling. Some surface scuffs that produce a little noise between tracks, but otherwise plays fine (it looked like it had been removed/replaced roughly into the sleeve more than once - why would someone shell out for an audiophile disc and do that? Oh, never mind, that's not my point).I liked the sound overall, and consider it the best replacement I've found for my well-travelled originals. But I am confused as to the provenance of these (probably the nervous tic that surfaces every time I hear the name Allen Klein). Acoustic Sounds' catalog says these are pressed at RTI. PREX had a few sealed copies of other Stones DSD remasters, at premium prices, with that generic gold-colored "180 gram - the best thing that ever happened to your stereo" stickers on them. I've been burned by a couple of those that were attached to Scorpios.
The dead wax on my purchase says the mastering (digital to analog?) was done by Don Grossinger (and Don's website confirms the same), and it indicates it's a Direct Metal Master. The booklet (nice reproduction of the original cover, with inserted pages) says the mastering (analog to digital?) was done by Bob Ludwig at Gateway.
Has anybody seen/heard any indication that the remasters are now being pressed at lesser plants than RTI? I see that various etailers are indicating that the Stones DSD remaster LPs (presumably the RTI issues) are out of print and fast disappearing, with prices commensurately going up. I'd like to stock up, now that I've been suitably impressed by one of them, but I don't want to get sucked into another ABKCO black hole and pay 30 bills for rice krispies.
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The were pressed from stampers pulled from the same lacquer the stampers were from that were used at RTI, best as I can tell. Just a higher quality pressing.
I have some of these and I find them all to be equally good. I doubt enough were made for them to have started pressing at one plant and then moving production elsewhere. They haven't been pressed for a while now. These, like the CDs, are out of print.If you like them, I see no reason to not pick them up. I know what you mean about Allen B. Klien Co distrust. It was unusual for those DSD Vinyl reissues to be made in the first place, but I'm not complaining.
I have a vinyl release of Bigger Bang too. It's got a nice in-your-face quality to it.
What was Klein's name in the Rutles? Something like Ron Decline? Funny stuff.
Yes - I have BB too - only wish the material was up to the mastering (though admittedly it's s notch better than most of the stuff they've put out over the last 15-20 years).
Make sure the "180 gram" ones are really DSD issues. They will have the DSD symbol on the back cover.IME the stones records labeled "180 gram" and have no DSD symbol on the back cover are inferior.
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Al G
Thanks Al.They do have the DSD logo on the back cover - that's what threw me - the combo of the DSD logo (indicating the '03 pressings, not the '89s) and that infernal sticker.
Maybe the stickers are used by a particular distributor/distributors, and not by the original manufacturer?
My suggestion would be to post this question on the Hi-Rez Highway, and I'm sure that you will get more responces.I have three of the Stones hybrid SA-CDs and enjoy them very much, although I only listen to the SA-CD layer.
As the quality of these discs is outstanding I cannot imagine how they would ever be considered "rice krispies", especially if you enjoy playing them.
I'm asking about the LPs - I don't have an SACD player.
.. I did not realize that vinyl was being issued from the dsd tapes.I'd be curious how they would compare to the SA-CD version, as my experience has been vinyl is clearly better in all cases where I have multiple formats of the same recording.
the sound is smoother, not as bright, if a bit muted, compared to the CD layer of the hybrid (I think those CDs are among the best-sounding I've ever heard). "Under My Thumb" is an awesome demo track, CD or LP.Went back and picked up the others - 'Aftermath,''YaYas,' first lp, 'Out of Our Heads,' 'Let It Bleed.' 'YY' & 'OOOH' still to spin - great sound. They did them justice.
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