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Why do some people on this board spend so much time bashing other peoples equipment? I come to the board to find out about different turntables, phono pre-amps and cartridges. I also like to research which are the better sounding pressings a band released. Lately, it's just become a b@%*hfest. Ten people will like a specific table and another 10 will think it's the biggest POS they've ever heard. Do the people who like the table have "golden ears" or do the people who dislike the table?Why is it so damn hard to just enjoy your system and the music coming out of it without tearing someone elses system down?
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Holy s*&t, didn't expect this. After reading all the posts, I've determined I am definitely not thin skinned or sensitive.
You initialy said the vinyl asylum, "Lately, it's just become a b@%*hfest."Very innocent from your perspective, right?
Now you're saying, "After reading all the posts, I've determined I am definitely not thin skinned or sensitive."
I'd say the jury is still out. What percentage of favorable responses, helped you reach the latter conclusion?
My point was I could have easily made smart-assed comments (similar to yours) on every post. Instead of doing that I laughed a bit at all the responses, both pro and con.
If you decide to purchase a Yugo....go right ahead. If you want to buy a top flight BMW I can appreciate your passion. If you want to sell a Yugo claiming it is a BMW then I will call it "time for bashing."
get a fair slice of Ferrari performance for the price of a Mitsubishi and on some roads,actually beat one !
And a Ferrari can be a nice piece on eye candy at almost any angle of view...But you mostly see tail lights with a decently tuned model.
Back in the days when we could take out our aggressions on living prey (instead of vacuum packed trays of mass produced protein) we were less likely to engage in the same behaviors towards our fellow tribesfolk. Unless they were trying to steal your mate or your meat.So the seemingly juvenile behavior of equipment bashing (now there's a Freudianism) is just an artifact of ancient genetically coded behavior that served a necessary purpose; staying alive. So we NEED to bicker, fight, criticize, belittle, condemn, antagonize, ridicule, demoralize, provoke, trash, bash, and blast each others equipment in order to stay alive. At least our genetic code is telling us that. Because most of us are just civilized enough (or brain-washed enough) to not go out and kill and eat something every time we "feel the urge", we instead have to let that primal instinct manifest itself in written aggression.
So, for the sake of humanity, bash something or somebody. It'll make you feel better. Think of your fellow forum participant or their stereo component as a large ungulate ready to be "slaughtered" with knifing words of primal rage. It's ok; it's therapeutic. It's natural. Just say "bite me".
I'm guessing that the guy on the top of the heap is not a vegetarian.
Tom
Thats the truth.
After 10 years I bought a TT 4 weeks ago. After listening to the first song I thought to myself why did I ever buy a CDP and sell my old TT?
I forgot what albums I had. I found 10 that were still sealed.
Last night I broke the seal on a copy of MFSL The Beatles "Sgt Pepper" that I must have bought 10 plus years ago and it sounded wonderful.
I'm pumped and have so many questions, but I really don't want to get slammed for what I bought or didn't buy.
I'm happy and I'm already tweaking.
I just don't understand the bashing. I don't care what you have and I don't see why you care what I have.Danny
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The problem unfortunately seems endemic to discussion forums on the Internet where everyone is an instant expert. These people can't tolerate any deviation from their point of view and have to try to crush anyone who does. Makes one think they're not too secure in their opinions in spite of the vociferousness of their statements.
..who has used belt drive, idler drive and quartz-lock direct drive and still can't decide which one he prefers! Everyone else seems to have figured out which camp they belong to, why can't I?I like direct for its solidity, speed stability and user friendliness, I like belt for its openness and detail and I like idler for its power and grunt.
If only I had enough room to set up my TD320, SL1510mk2 and Goldring GL75 all at once! :)
Kind Regards,
Well, start a thread and the experts here will tell you which camp to be in. Of course, you'll be inundated with strong, contradictory, irreconcilable opinions, but then you won't be any worse off, will you? Perhaps some genius-obviously therefore no one who regularly posts here-will create a design combining the best features of each. It could be called the Thornicsring Beldiridler, which makes as much sense as much of the drivel posted here. Or you can just wait for the new Online audio review mentioned elsewhere on this forum to get the definitive point of view.
....maybe some folks might be predispositioned to interpret anything other than praise as criticism. Others might read the same comment and take from it what can be used.It might be that those who react defensively, need not, but in so doing reveal their own needs for affirmation and the vulnerability of fragile egos.
just what Fred said .. though you distilled it down to its essence..
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system down?" Well, for some it seems JUST as enjoyable - and possibly even MORE so - to bash as to listen/enjoy! People are pretty passionate with their opinions around hear- and the Vinyl Asylum is actually one of the more resonable boards at AA!These "bashing" folk lack the character, subtlety, and self- assurance to differentiate between bashing and CONSTRUCTIVE criticism, and would be just as competetive/annoying/"right" and often crude "discussing" sports/religion/politics or automobiles as they are "discussing" audio.
I believe it is reffered to as human nature, and it can be a particularly irritating aspect of the male species, which the proponderance of posters at AA are. The majority the posters hear are articulate, resonablly level-headed and offer some mighty good advice. The bashers (boneheads) are few and far between and just come with the territory of a public forum. Don't let 'em get to you.
"Music is the can-opener of the soul"
Henry Miller.
This of course does not help frozen food fans...
Do you think a Rega is well designed? Or a Bose surround system is the top dog on the home theater front.....My audio sales manager once told me he did not understand why I could sell the snot out of Energy, Klipsch, and Boston Accoustics and only sell a few Bose.
I told him some people can hear the difference and only a few people would prefer not to listen to the difference.
When I began selling high end gear this was just magnified to an entirely different level.
Cheers!
I'm not familiar enough with Rega to really express an opinion on whether or not they are well designed. I'm pretty sure there is better than Bose in most any category you can name. I'm not about to bash either company for their products or success though. Both companies serve a purpose and have loyal followings and there ARE reasons for that, albeit life style choices or convenience or just branding/marketing over actual audio product performance. Doesn't matter to me.Different strokes for different folks. Now, if I HAD used products from either of these companies and felt let down or otherwise slighted you might hear some bashing from me. That isn't the case though, and I have a feeling that is true of many "bashing" posts: there's no real first-hand experience, just a "jump on the bandwagon/mob mentality" force at work.
"Music is the can-opener of the soul"
Henry Miller.
This of course does not help frozen food fans...
Not sure how you define "bashing". When someone asks a question about how something sounds, is built, etc., it opens up for both positive and negitive responses. No person has looked and auditioned every single piece and no 2 persons have the same experiences. Also, different persons have different levels of systems, exectations, etc. In other words we comprise a community of individuals with differing levels of knowledge and experiences. For someone used to Yorx may think an Akai is really the cat's meow while someone who has had 30 years with McIntosh, Audio Research, Krell, Magnum Dynalab, etc. will most likely consider it no better or only very slightly better than the Yorx.Also, to consider is the leves://www.google.com/accounts/ServiceLogin?service=mail&passive=true&rm=false&continue=http://mail.google.com/mail?ui=html&zy=l<mpl=yj_blanco<mplcache=2&hl=el of expectation. The Yorx owner would have an expectation the Akai should sound better and that expectation would probably be realized while the high end owner would have no expecttion it would sound decent and he too probably be realized. SO to 1 it will sound wonderful and for the other it will sound poorly.
The surprises usally come when the expectation is low and the result is that it unit exceds expectation. For instance, based on many owners' reports my expectations for a H-K 630 was pretty high. It failed expectations in that my Philips and Sonys bettered it. I then had a low expectation as to the power amp section that could be separated but I was absolutely amazed how it sounded and keep the receiver ONLY for the amp. Subbing a preamp for the preamp in the receiver showed how poor the preamp section is while the tuner is not too shabby. If someone asked about the 630, I'd pan it while others would praise it. I would though, also discuss the subbing of the preamp and what I found good as to the amp.
You mean my Yorx is no good? How dare you! You haven't heard the latest Yorx, or you wouldn't say that. Maybe you didn't set your Yorx up correctly. Maybe you have the rubber band Yorx instead of the double-sticky Yorx. You're just wrong, dude.I'll bet there are ten other Yorx guys here to back me up.
...and was afraid to even plug it in as it might have "totally smoked my system".
Dave
Later Gator,
Crank up your talking machine, grab a jar of your favorite "kick-back", sit down, relax, and let the good times roll.The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
That what one, particularly one with a bruised ego automatically assumes to be a definitive example of bashing by some untoward lout, but just may in fact, actually be an entirely well meaning sincere, warning "Buyer Beware" or "Heads up" ?Your statement appears to be simplistic and presumptuous, the result or seeing that an Inmate (or Inmates) have rained on your little ego trip parade by having the unmitigated gaul and temerity to actually be critical of something you just happen to have either bought or bought into ?
I've always considered that one of the most valuable aspects of a special interest forum of this sort is being able to derive meaningful information and knowledge concerning the actual merits and demerits of objects of our interest from the perspective of owners, dealers or even that which is rumored, but most importantly do not have a commercial interest, obviously there's always going to be a range of opinions some valid some just based on biased or folks who have an agenda, then again that does require a degree of sifting
and thinking.
I've always thought it was quite easy to read the threads and separate the "Wheat from the Chaff" as opposed to the Audio press where in many instances anything considered even remotely critical or negative may well involve the loss of that manufacturers advertising revenues, as well as the "guilty of candor" hack in question being sent down the road.Many or even most of these rags are now little more than thinly veiled manufacturers Product showcases, where even carefully reading between the lines isn't useful these days, about the only real value is if you're already hot for something and need just a little more of a push (rationale / justification) you can read about all the subtle nuance and have a bunch of smoke blown up your ass.
Perhaps we should have an alternative Vinyl Asylum " Analog Circle jerk " ? where seldom is heard a discouraging word and the skies are not cloudy all day ;-)
Your statement appears to be simplistic and presumptuous, the result or seeing that an Inmate (or Inmates) have rained on your little ego trip parade by having the unmitigated gaul and temerity to actually be critical of something you just happen to have either bought or bought into ?
especially when I look at your system specs and read this."Rega being replaced with Garrard 401: plinth under construction."
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I just meant that that seemed a prime example of the way people often fly off the handle here and get quite inappropriately irate. What was there in the original post to justify Fred using language and tone like that? He may have meant it tongue in cheek but it really doesn't look like it, and that kind of response is what I think many people find offputting about this forum. I grant you that later he admits he went a bit too far.Can't tell what you mean about my system details, this discussion was about politeness when I got involved. By all means lets get back to audio!
about "equipment bashing"..not manners. But some seem to think it is bad manners to point out the King has no clothes..Fred was trying to say it is indeed kinder to say so then not...The manners police disagree and label most anything perceived as a definitive position as hate speachhere is part of what he said
"...a definitive example of bashing by some untoward lout, but just may in fact, actually be an entirely well meaning sincere, warning "Buyer Beware" or "Heads up" ?"... I believe you and Fred have much more in common than you think..that is what I meant about your equipment..He would approve I'm sure.
Which as I, and indeed Fred later, noted, is a prime example of the kind of intemperate language that seems to recur all too often here.
Your statement appears to be simplistic and presumptuous, the result or seeing that an Inmate (or Inmates) have rained on your little ego trip parade by having the unmitigated gaul and temerity to actually be critical of something you just happen to have either bought or bought into ?Take it easy on the guy. Maybe he comes from a place where civility reigns and people can talk nice and get their point across without coming off as one with the manners of a moron. I too think we should have a separate vinyl asylum. We could call it the "Outside Vinyl Asylum" where seldom is heard anything but puffed up opinions with little or no merit. That should draw lots of people in. I mean, who, in their right mind, would want to be talked too in a kind manner when we can just blast 'em? Lets be especially hard on those wimps who have the unmittigated gaul to ask for civilized discourse where we can learn from each other without the unnecessary derogatory remarks. After all, civility is highly overrated dontcha think?
Now I know you have many of us pegged as working for the manufacturers, and especially if we say something nice about a product. But I can assure you that even though I did talk to Harry Weisfeld (sp) of VPI, he was too cheap to offer me $$$ for saying nice things about the Scoutmaster that I purchased recently. And I suspect that the other manufacturers are probably as cheap. I just thought I'd let you know that not all of us work for the rags or mfgs. But there does seem to be a lot of people with agendas.
I only use my gun whenever kindness fails
The deep end a mite, Paranoid ?" Now I know you have many of us pegged as working for the manufacturers, and especially if we say something nice about a product "
" I do however have at least one of you pegged as being, wound way too tight for rational public discourse " Curious is this a function of being a self appointed /anointed, courageous champion of civility, limited intellectual facility and or just paranoia ?
How you ever managed to distort anything I've ever said or even inferred as assuming or even imagining any of the inmates here are Shilling for HW, and for money no less (Yikes !)
Is completely beyond me, perhaps when you get really wound up to this point of self righteousness, it induces a momentary lapse of rationality ?
Re-reading my post, I do see where I was somewhat scathing
in my approach, my intent was more along the lines of pointing out
in general what I felt was unreasonable expectations on the part of so many who feel that their particular turntables manufacturer should somehow be above reproach or even sacrosanct.I did state my point in my own sarcastic/ caustic fashion, but it was at the very least, thought out and rational to make my point, quite a contrast to your embarrassing disjointed self righteous, indignant, dripping with sanctimony, over the top (petulant frenzy) emotional orgasm /Ad Hominem rant (Do we feel better now ;-)
I certainly hope you didn't short out your Keyboard while frothing at the mouth ?
F*+K You Very Much !Fred
Fred you make me laugh until my sides split....
TubesDid you ever hear about the insomniac crab that slept in Snatches ?
Sadly I'm not a total stranger to the experience, Med. Runs on a Pig Boat insures one of that particular experience,BTW one of the many failings involved with Windjammer Cruises is their failure to provide a more authentic ambiance.
Parasites be damned.
" Parasites be damned. "I'm in full agreement when you're talikng about our Government
Mosquito's, Ticks, Fleas, Amoeba's, Acrylic Slab Mfg's etc. but before my Business tubed I had this 28 yr. old long legged Blonde
attatched to my butt, that the kind of infistation I quite enjoyed ;-)" Gotta love those meds! "
Does this mean the thing about Bourbon kills worms ?
Regards Fred
I certainly hope you didn't short out your Keyboard while frothing at the mouth ?Fred After posting on the Outside for a few yrs, I'd say that if you think that your moronic diatribe has me "frothing at the mouth", you must be utterly delusional.
" I do however have at least one of you pegged as being, wound way too tight for rational public discourse "
Interesting. Someone asks for reasonable discourse and you come off like a braying donkey, but I'm the one wound too tight. OK so rationality isn't your strong point.How you ever managed to distort anything I've ever said or even inferred as assuming or even imagining any of the inmates here are Shilling for HW, and for money no less
Geez Fred. Ever hear of sarcasm? It was meant as a play off of your paranoia of manufacturers.Re-reading my post, I do see where I was somewhat scathing
in my approach, my intent was more along the lines of pointing out
in general what I felt was unreasonable expectations on the part of so many who feel that their particular turntables manufacturer should somehow be above reproach or even sacrosanct.
Thats called eisegesis. it means "reading into". No one ever said that tables or mfgs couldn't be criticized. but I guarantee you wouldn't talk face to face with the original poster the way you wrote.I did state my point in my own sarcastic/ caustic fashion, but it was at the very least, thought out and rational to make my point, quite a contrast to your embarrassing disjointed self righteous, indignant, dripping with sanctimony, over the top (petulant frenzy) emotional orgasm /Ad Hominem rant (Do we feel better now ;-)
I thought my sarcastic/caustic post to you was also thought out and rational to make my point but you didn't seem to appreciate it. Don't tell me you can dish it out but can't take it. I'm sorry. I'll take it easier on you the next time.
" Don't tell me you can dish it out but can't take it. I'm sorry. I'll take it easier on you the next time. "Agreed I do have my excesses, taking myself too seriously, sky High Blood Glucose, dain bramage whatever ;-(
I would like you to understand that I really have nothing but empathy and compassion for VPI owners, tragically the research funding has been so sparse with all the $$$ going to Retro Virology, eating disorders etc, they've yet to even determine the causation involved with VPI Ownership syndrome :-( So the overall outlook / Prognosis is dismal indeed.
The latest research does seem to indicate VPI Ownership syndrome
doesn't offer much hope for a breakthrough as it's increasingly believed to be a complex synergystic matrix of genetic predisposition, cultural factors (Diet, drinking low rent light beers ?) and Viral exposure.Hope for an outright cure or even an effective vaccine to prevent it in the first place is apparently decades off at best ;-(
I have been circulating galleys of my recent watershed work on the subject " VPI, The upgrade path to Tragedy " don't seem to be stirring up much enthusiasm amongst publishers.
Perhaps we should have an alternative Vinyl Asylum " Analog Circle jerk " ? where seldom is heard a discouraging word and the skies are not cloudy all day ;-)I thought that was called the "What's Spinning?" thread.
["Ten people will like a specific table and another 10 will think it's the biggest POS they've ever heard."]Is it your desire that folks sit on their hands while others wax poetic about their beloved POS? If respondents are split on the acceptance of a product do you propose the rules should be amended for pre-flame bashing? It might be helpful to make clear, if you're indicting the board or how it reacts under rare circumstances.
"Is it your desire that folks sit on their hands while others wax poetic about their beloved POS?" it would seem so....and he has company....sensitive, gentle (if you agree with them)folk who you only hear from when they comment on tone,manner or content of your comment. Almost never do they comment on the original subject..
What you describe is simply human nature.
Some people feel they have to put someone else or their equipment down to bolster their own false ego.
I feel it happens far less here than any other board I visit.Maybe the problem lies with you as much as the offending posters.
Perhaps you are to thin skinned or slightly over sensitive to this?
Apparently their skin was too thin too. So how thick must this skin be and who decides the correct thickness? Internet BB's are full of people who think that normal ettoquette is unnatural. Why is that? And why is it that when someone points out an offense, someone comes along and says something about being too "thinned skinned"? Where were you at when they said I was over the top when I reacted in kind to another poster? Why didn't anyone tell them they should have thicker skin?
I only use my gun whenever kindness fails
apples and not apples...thin skinned is when you are overly sensitive..thick skinned is the opposite to that. It does not mean projecting your insecurities and perceived injustices onto another person...that would be "over the top."
Why is the courtesy/civility that is expected in everyday life suspended on an internet BB? It is done daily. So in the absence of societal norms, who deems someones actions as "over the top"? You say my statements were over the top. However I can assure you that 5 yrs ago when I first started posting the language and attitudes of this board today would have been considered "over the top" by the majority then.
I only use my gun whenever kindness fails
I guess we all have to make those decisions for ourselves..there may be an evolving asylum community standard(shrug)
because of all the nastiness. I consider this place to be pretty friendly overall.
I'm always amazed at these posts complaining about the level of nastiness etc..I have to go back and read everything again thinking I missed something !!!..Lord what a sheltered gentle life some people must lead..either that or they are so sensitive they cry for every dead coon on the side of the road..I just don't know ..sometimes I feel like I'm having a "close encounter of the third kind."
I'm face to face with something totaly alien and with mouth agape I can only stare....
I feel like some do it to reinforce their decision to buy the gear they did as opposed to the model being bashed. Some don't like gear and can tell you why without bashing it. Others praise gear they have that's an improvement over their previous gear when most haven't compared it to other gear in the price range. Its not like a CDP that you can more easily borrow and try/compare. Vinyl is more complex from table to cart to pre. Sure take my delicate table and cart and play "your" records on it, doesn't happen often does it? Finally no matter what the topic the internet is full of people spouting off in ways they would not do so in person. Haven't you noticed? No? Well, what the hell is wrong with you! LOL- just kidding...... I think it will always be this way to some extent with small ebbs and flows.
Try next door at Speaker Asylum. Man, they're BRUTAL over there.
There are optimists and pessimists; they see the world in a different way. There are technically challenged people who do not see but speak.
I give you an example. I am new to vinyl (2 yers experience). On recommendation of this board I bought a TT, the one most praised. I found:
wiggly platter,
rattling arm bearing (cheap cap holding the pivot needle)
no precise antiscate,
unnecessary connector in arm wire,
center clamp that’s too big and scratching against the Shure cart on end track,
hot running, oil spiting motor (to powerful and vibrating for my taste),
crappy arm holder………and a brochure advertising the upgrade path.
Most of my findings were posted here later by other inmates so it is not just my pessimism. The TT is still the one most praised in its prize range!
The question is: why so much praising?
Marek
Is the link below the motivation for your bashing?
As I said, I am new to vinyl, everything better than the one before is the best I’ve ever heard.
I guess I was too enthusiastic in that post after a temporary attack of optimism. Since then I’ve replaced MDF plinth with wood/acrylic/metal table, I got a platter with a better bearing and clamping, tried different arms, bought different motor and did other small changes.
I am still working on it; you can see pictures in my gallery.
Marek
I'm sorry to hear of your bad experience. You have every right to post your findings. Then let those others with experience post theirs, which will establish the veracity of your findings or expel them as a single and out of the ordinary event. Sometimes we get a faulty item. Sometimes we are at fault. The board can be extroidinarily helpful in determining who/what is at fault. And if the table is indeed a piece of junk, it's sales will eventually fall.
Some items are over hyped. IE, I think the Honda Goldwing (motorcycle)falls into this catagory. I've ridden them and was not impressed. However there are legions of riders who disagree with me. I might say that i do not like the Goldwing for the following reasons. But why say its a piece of junk or some other inflamatory remark? Why not just make my statements and let others decide for themselves?
BTW, Like you, I don't understand the praise for the Goldwing either? Maybe both of us have different tastes than the majority. Just a thought.
I only use my gun whenever kindness fails
Some sort of Asylum grief / trauma counseling mechanism were for those really sensitive types who are offended to the degree where their skivvies are in a major bundle can receive the critical emotional supportThere may well be some sort of yet to be discovered / uncovered undiagnosed Audiophile specific PTSD Variant, PMCGSOTVATSD (Post my component got slammed on the Vinyl Asylum Traumatic Stress disorder) where the hapless victim eventually develops sleeping difficulties, flashbacks, the inability to perceive or appreciate subtle nuance issues or even inability to pop a Chubby ? ;-)
BTW -While a Honda Goldwing IMHO seems to me to be more of a car than a Motorcycle, I have to admit that on more than one occaison halfway
across Nebraska with a terminal case of Monkey Butt I'll be downright jealous of Wing Riders.
Many think that annonimity gives them the license to say whatever they want. They would never act in such a manner in the actual presence of the group, because thay know their actions would cause a fight and they would be the main target.
I only use my gun whenever kindness fails
If you've been burned by a lousy component, you may want to warn others away.This can be very helpful to those who come here for a reason you didn't mention: to get input on where they should spend their hard earned $$ on their next audio purchase.
Sure, it would be nice if we could always give negative reviews without being overly nasty, and if we could always be neutral and fully inform people about the limitations of our views, but jeez it's just the internet - whatever! It's still informative.
Hukk
what are the implications? Does one have no need for civility and rapport because of our supposed annonimity? Are there no guidelines for communication because it is the internet?
I only use my gun whenever kindness fails
... us ranting, beer/pinot -swilling blowhardsHowever, you will often find very informed opinions from experienced audiophiles.
Whiskey / Scotch blowhards, please accept my apology!
...Whisky swilling blowhards!I'm taking my Famous Grouse (neat of course) and moving to the other end of the bar now...
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Al GBorn To Tinker!
they would probably choose their words more wisely and not use the harsh and inflamatory criticism that they use on the internet. My questions go to the point of asking why that is? Does the internet relieve us from rules of ettiquette? Some, if not many, apparently believe so.
I only use my gun whenever kindness fails
I can only speak for myself... but I will say things that same way here as I would when toe to toe with somebody else. I would think that alot of people may use the anonimity to hide themselves but not me...
Most opinions are on a take it or leave it basis anyway. It's all subjective to whomever is talking and who wishes to listen.But if you have nothing to say..... say nothing.
Cheers,
...or some folks are just more widely experienced than others. For example my current system is pretty 'LO-FI', but in the past i've owned and used and heard systems far more 'HI-FI'. My experience is only of particualar rooms and systems 'together', other poeples mileage may vary....Debate is a way of life, everything is a negotiation.
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I only use my gun whenever kindness fails
...any bigger is always better ! ;-o
Hello Rob,
I had a peep at you listed system. Are you still running the Denon UD-M31....
I run one of those in my workshop driving some Mission speakers. I have it fed with Kimber power cables and a Russ Purifier with some woven speaker cable.... the damned thing rocks. It may not be 'Hi Fi' in the snobbish sense of the word but it plays 'music' so well. It is amazing how many people turn up and then spend hours listening to it.
It's that good that I purchased another for my TV watching. I have it also fed with Russ stuff and feed it with Sky satelite from a Teac DT1 decoder. Its driving some more mission speakers (£200 worth) and it produces awesome effects and staging.I think you have chosen wisely.
Have fun,
K
....and it sounds great to be honest for the money, it does alot of things RIGHT and the things it does wrong don't bother me much ! I have no desire ( or money for that matter ) to change it.Thanks for your comments, appreciated !
I can go from my £20k system to either of the others and not feel short changed musically... O.K. it does not have the resolution and weight of my £5k worth of Ayre amps driving silly money speakers, but I will happily listen to most music on either piece of kit.My nephew popped over a while ago, we spun some 50 cent 'In da Club' and he could not believe how it sounded, it rocked the room. None of that MP3 rubbish here. It sounded not so Gangsta on the big kit though...
Your not missing too much musically... rest assured.
Have fun,
listen to their hardware instead of music.
HenryA 12-gauge shotgun is the ultimate arbiter of disputes - G. Gordon Liddy
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Methinks it hits a bit close to your casa.
HenryA 12-gauge shotgun is the ultimate arbiter of disputes - G. Gordon Liddy
no, it's you.
HenryA 12-gauge shotgun is the ultimate arbiter of disputes - G. Gordon Liddy
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HenryA 12-gauge shotgun is the ultimate arbiter of disputes - G. Gordon Liddy
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Just the nature of boards like this...I'm a moderator over on a pretty big car audio board, and although the demographics are different (mostly mid '20s and teenagers that barely have a grasp of English)...the bickering is the same :P
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