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In Reply to: Something tells me its digital posted by IBSmiester on September 10, 2006 at 18:01:27:
Hi IBSmeister,
my German pressing has the same number: OJC-291 (P-7079), matrix 7a.
Yes, maybe this is a digital re-work and that's why sound clear, but not deep and warm as my Classic Records reissues.
I have get also other cheap new vinyl records that's not appear to be remastered (not said on the back cover), but I'm a little confuse if just expensive audiophile edition are TRUE analog records. What a swindle!
Regards,
Beto
Follow Ups:
If the digital remaster already exists for the CD version and you are selling the LPs for $10 a piece like OJC then it is much cheaper to use the version that is at hand rather than go back to the analog master.I have read most OJC LPs are from Digital masters, as are most Columbia/Sony LPs, in these cases Classic Records is the only way to go short of finding the original pressing at a decent price.
My guess would be that most modern commercial label LPs are from Digital Masters unless they proclaim they are from Analog masters.
Just an additional thing I hate about Digital, the Digital remasterings of analog recordings. It is an outright plague, I wish I could go back and end the digital infestation at the source and keep Digital from ever being used for music in the first place. What a travesty and a shame.
"Analog is Music, Digital is mathematics"
Happy listening,
Teresa
Hi Teresa,
you men that they are liers? I mean they offer digital as analog? I believe we must do some legal move, at least to push them to advise: "Caution this is an digital contaminated source" on, at least,a 50% of the cover size.
It is very hard to know that if you have only a few bucks you must be fooled!
I'm absolutelly agreed with you: tubes and analog for ever!
Nice to hear a girl in this pages.
Best for you,
Beto
P.S. nice web page. I'm hunting, of course, old records, first edition, etc, but is hard road and need zen patience
Can you share where you have read about this digital/analog issue? I will like to watch it.
"you mean that they are liars? I mean they offer digital as analog? I believe we must do some legal move, at least to push them to advise: "Caution this is an digital contaminated source" on, at least, a 50% of the cover size.I wouldn't say liars as many major labels still are of the mindset that Digital is superior to Analog so there is no reason to not use the Digital remasters to make LPs. Remember all those dreadful "Digitally remastered LPs" of the 1980's? Well some actually believe they were an improvement. And even if the remastering engineer thinks the analog might sound better time restraints and budgets often get in the way. I have very few LPs made after 1980 from the commercial labels for this very reason. With commercial LPs it is best to try to find the original issues, look for the absence of UPC codes on the back. And read the fine print on the back. Also the copyright dates.
I bought a Decca Viva! LP, the recordings were made in 1973 and 1978 meaning they were Analog, as Decca first the Digital LP was not until late 1979. But the copyright date is 1983, and upon listening the image is flat and the violins sound like saws and the deep bass was missing, nothing like Decca at all. Even thought it does not say so I 100% believe it is "Digitally Remastered". It went back to the thrift store.
I have found that most Audiophile labels except "Simply Vinyl" go back to the original analog master. Simply Vinyl sometimes is from the original analog masters when they can get them; some have been from Digital copies and analog copies. Before buying a Simply Vinyl title do a search here to find out if it sounds good and is an analog master?
Most of the information on digitally remastered analog LPs has come from the Vinyl Asylum and trial and error.
I like your idea of a warning "Caution this is an digital contaminated source" but I don't think it will ever happen.
mtodde's post says that Steve Hoffman opined that the vast majority of OJC's were analog.
"Analog is Music, Digital is mathematics"
Happy listening,
Teresa
Tube mastering vs. solid state mastering. To my ear, good solid state mastering of earlier tube recorded material sounds a bit muddy compared to tube mastered versions. For the German copy of Saxaphone Collosus, there is a tape generation issue too, where later generation tapes were sent to Germany for mastering purposes.These forces can conspire to make a record sound lousy without any digital involvement.
Hi Bung,
so, I can conclude that just reissues that claims that are taken from the original analog master tapes will guaranteed good enough sonics.
I have some old vinyls, that I'm shure are not first year edition, but sound good, as analog supose to be.
Regards,
Beto
Hi Teresa,
thanks for the input.
I have recenntly get Previn/LSO, first print of Rachmaninov 2º symphony and also have it's CD latest reissue, precessed and carefully digital remastered from the original master tape on Abbey Roade studios. It is a good CD reissue, I mean, the are lots that sound more esterile, but the LP record sound by far superior: deep, spacious, war,dinamic. etc
Regards,
Beto
p.s.well my idea on the advise in the cover was a joke (50% joke)
Any LP from Digital or Digitally remastered sources cannot have full size LP covers but instead have the CD sized art work in the center with Digital in GAINT letters on all four borders. I would love! But it would never happen.
"Analog is Music, Digital is mathematics"
Happy listening,
Teresa
"I would love! But it would never happen."
Teresa, remember tobacco restrictions was unexpected some past decades and now, here, at least,cigarettes packets have to put an advise on a large % of the cover.
So digital is dangerous to health? well, not for all, but I will be calm if companies just put "digital remasterd", take it or leave it! Just the f... trut, at least.
Digital is only convenient to a mass musical market. This develpment allow a cheap mass production, with great incomes. Also needs tons of bad music, etc. Digital kills the music and need fresh flesh, no matter its quality, because they can offer by MTV as "atractive and cool groove", etc, etc, etc. and people consume it like french potatos without thinkin. A buSSine$$ were quality is just an anecdota.
Tubes and transistors are similar story (but music is art, that is worst).
Regards,
Beto
WARNING! At some stage in the production of this LP "Digital Techniques" were used. Those suffering from Digitalis or having adverse reactions to digitized music may wish to avoid.
"Analog is Music, Digital is mathematics"
Happy listening,
Teresa
Hi Teresa,
something like that! so, we can send some e-mailes to the reissue companies that are selling cats in the place of hares, just to push them to includes the warning sentence or massive campains to acusse them.
Best for you,
Beto
p.s.is not paranoia, but digital remastered records sound "esterile", without soul.
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