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In Reply to: OK, I think I've decided to build a turntable. But which one? posted by artemus on December 15, 2005 at 18:44:47:
With a Lenco table, serious Birch Ply/MDF CLD plinth, a nice arm you're expending $500 to $800 including the arm and 40 or 50 carpentry/finishing Manhours of comfortable work, a mite messy gluing, but nothing that stresses the intellect in the least,it's already been done countless times very successfully so there's no taxing critical theoretical design decisons, just put it all together, and if the arm/cartridge is set up right, you play around with the mat,siting and feet etc. for a week or two and you will have a very serious table that will rival the big guns by virtue of the amazing speed stability and torque, PRAT and dynamics often perceptually (at least for me ?)crush the intuiging subtle aspects and effects of otherwise incredible table/arms.
Not necessarily everyones cup O tea, and perhaps not yours either ? but compared to the Teres the expenditures of the Lenco project are negligable and quite probably it'll blow you completely away and you'll forget about the Teres entirely ?No gut's no glory and the Lenco is to me an easy and obvious
deal (I'd have to sell a Kidney right now to swing a Teres ;-) if it ends up not being what you really want, the novelty wears off or whatever, I'm thinking you could turn the Lenco fast and easy
and at the very least not lose anything, I bet a Teres as beautiful as they are would seemingly be a lot tighter market as it's a lot of money (I'm assuming)You'd doubtless end up feeling you definately made the right choice, regardless of which you did, the nature of these things ;-)
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It will allow you to change arms in a matter of minutes, and you can verify if my love of this table is justified.Plus I can send you arms and armboards to try different combinations with all your cartridges.
I think there is one on AudioGon for a reasonable price, with a decent arm and a Grace cartridge.
Just something to think about.
And maybe that would be a better starting point. But truthfully, I LOVE the looks of the Teres. FWIW, I do have a civil engineer friend who has a good understanding of vibration control and how to achieve it. I suppose whatever project I do, he may be very valuable.
In terms of sound quality the Lenco will be the Teres' superior, this is not a matter of taste or presentation, and not by a small margin. Being a woodworker, get those creative juices flowing and design a beautiful plinth showing off your skills for the vintage Lenco. Of course, as always, many simply won't believe the Lenco is as good as reported, but already one fellow who owned and sold the Teres 245 with Moerch tonearm wrote the following: "I bought an LP12 with Valhalla and Ittok initially and was quite pleased for a while. For me (and my ten thumbs), set-up issues plagued that particular table. I heard a basic Teres setup and promptly sold the Linn as the sound quality bested the Linn by an embarassingly large margin. I then had a Teres 245 with Moerch DP-6 and Allaerts MC-1B. Unfortunately, my Teres had problems of it's own (recurrent motor controller faults, cracked base that had to be replaced, etc. etc.). I now use a modified Lenco L-75 with Moerch DP-6 arm and Denon DL-160 cartridge and have achieved what is easily the best sound (and reliability) to date."
Of those, to which version does your "Superior" comment apply ?
Have you heard a broad array of differing Teres designs and implementations ? How many exactly ?That would probably only be fair, since the Teres has numerous options and alternatives----
Before you say what's Superior in terms of sound quality.
Thanks, JD
It's fun to kick this stuff around, ponder, rationalize and debate etc. but ultimately I think if your guts say Teres, you're best off going with it, as were talking about passions, and the pragmatic cost considerations, logistics etc. tend to detract or demean, no ?
Frankly, if it were me looking for a near SOTA turntable that will also work as a visual centerpiece to your rig, I'd go with the Teres. You'll just need to build the plinth and armboard, and finish them to a ne'er thee friggin well, and you will have a piece of workable art that even analog non-believers will ooh and ahh at.You can build the plinth to your own design so you will have an artistic part of you invested in it.
However, remember the house remodel dictum: that furniture that seemed just fine before will look like crap in your new living room, therefore added expense.
The correlation: that rega 250 that seemed just fine will look like crap compared to an SME5.....then there's the cart.....
Yeah. I've already started lookin' at arms. I think we'll have to go with Origin Live anyway
I didn't count the tonearm in my costs. I really wish you hadn't put it all in perspective. ;)
It seems to me that with a heavy platter Idler in a heavy plinth you can easily get away with a considerably more modest arm, A Black Widow, Grace 3009, AT 1005, SME II or III or a nice used Hadcock 228
as with the belt drive even very refined and expensive designs they'd
need a considerable better arm to level the playing field (fair fight)and or compensate for whatever drive and speed stability inadequacies, no ?
True, but I never figured the cost of a tonearm into my projects. I suppose I consider them like cartridges, or wires. So, when I said $750 for my Lenco, I meant sans tonearm(s).
A somewhat questionable comparison as your Lenco project is an
extremely involved and complex one compared to all but the most
elaborate objects of art type Lenco projects IMHO.
I take that as a compliment. Fred, I can only hope that I don't let you down with the result...fingers crossed.
It was a compliment, I'm not as creative, competent or imaginative,
I kind of run scared and tend to be (safe) conservative as I figure it'll very likely be an expensive folly once I realize I'm in way over my head, etc.
When you first related your idea's I was (as is my wont ;-) egocentric, and thinking Win's likely gonna regret this, but
but the actuality of your Lenco looks so very natural and balanced
I wonder if you arent at least partially Milanese ?
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