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In Reply to: Re: The "S" is a 103 with an elliptical stylus posted by vinyl-lebt on August 2, 2005 at 07:34:25:
Hi Holger, yes now I recall the S had a slightly greater compliance.Do you think the lower tracking is due to a combination of stylus and compliance vs. the 103 or just one or the other?
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Hi Garth,Actually it was the other way around, the DL-103D had a higher compliance than the DL-103S.
I've never owned the DL-103D, but I have the DL-103S, and based on the specs, I'd say that the DL-103D was more like the modern DL-3XX series, then the DL-103 series.
The DL-103S was released 3 years before the DL-103D; the DL-103S has similar electrical specs as the DL-103, the main difference being the slightly lower tracking force, and the slightly higher compliance. I have been informed by a Japanese audiophile, that the DL-103S has a Shibata stylus (even though the datasheet just says special elliptical) and that this cartridge was designed for reproduction of quadraphonic discs. The DL-103S was replaced by the DL-103M in 1983, which again is more like the modern DL-3XX series: coil impedance of 33 Ohms, low tracking force, high compliance. The DL-103M is also lighter than the conventional DL-103, and has an alloy body. For some reason it has a very low output (0.12mV)
I have a DL-103M too, but I couldn't critically evaluate it, because the output was too low for my phono stage.
Best regards,
You are correct that the S has a shibata stylus. I always preferred
the S over the D back then. The S had greater treble detail.
It may be a Shibata but the data sheet says special elliptical as Brian says above.And to think I sent it out and had a Shibata installed on it! I got it super cheap as an NOS and didn't even play it before the operation.
Cheers!
Hi Garth,I had the stylii on both of my DL-103S changed to an extended profile line contact stylus by the Expert Stylus company.
I was aware, when I made that decision, that I was reducing the "cult status" value of the cartridges by doing so. However, this seemed like the most practical approach.
By many accounts, the Shibata was a very early design for reducing the contact dimension of the stylus in a direction tangential to the groove, but has been superseded by more modern designs.
What in particular do you think is so special about the Shibata stylus?
Also, I'd be interested to know who has started making the Shibata stylus again.
Best regards,
Hi BK,I don't have a particular love affair with the Shibata it's just that the guy I use for this offers it and an elliptical. He sources them from a company in Switzerland, just like about everyone else. Benz, VDh,
Allerts and probably others get their stylus/cantilevers from the same source. Actually it is not a case of "again" making the Shibata but rather still making it.Yes, it is the granddaddy of line contact styli.
So do you have a link or contact details for the guy who offers the Shibata stylus?Best regards,
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