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In Reply to: I disagree posted by Dave Ellis on July 30, 2002 at 14:43:44:
So rather than soliciting a straight answer to an innocent question, your post was intended to set me up to look foolish, a huckster and know-nothing (at least compared to some other "expert" posters who remain anonymous). You already knew the answer: trimming to close tolerances is malarkey. Your term, your opinion.I believe such behaviour is known as trolling. Not unusual around here, and I guess I will learn to live with it.
To you and all those who scoff at our precision: we wouldn't have 20 years of good press, let alone the EIA "Best of CES 2002" trophy for high end audio, without it. You think something else is better, fine. You laugh at me for doing the right and necessary thing onlyreveals great ignorance of speaker design and manufacturing, tasks I have been engaged in nonstop for 25 years now.
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Mr. Cheney,Sir, you have effectively avoided the questions I posted above ( http://www.audioasylum.com/audio/speakers/messages/93920.html ) regarding the issue of capacitor tolerance in the face of driver inconsistensies.
There isn't anyone who posted on this string who appears anonymus. I certainly posted with my real name. I don't know all of others who posted here, but I don't seen any trolling under a guise of falsehood.
I can understand why you feel the need to offer excuses/distractions instead of apologetics regarding your capacitor accuracy statement.
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Your award at CES is well earned and well received. I believe your speakers represent one of the better values in hifi. Your award also places you in a position of knowledge and authority on many issues. On many levels I am highly certain that you are far more experienced and educated with issues concerning louspeaker construction than I.
I don't scoff at precision. It should be obvious that I am very concerned with precison after measuring more than 2-3 drivers. I also beleive there are needless applications of precision. I believe using X <1/200% capacitors is such an example.
Would you kindly respond to my question regarding the consistency of the T/S parameters of your drivers?
I won't post further regarding this issue.
Very Respectfully,
Dave
What do woofer t/s parameters have to do with capacitor tolerance? They aren't part of the woofer crossover which is accomplished with a very high quality, 1% tolerance coil.Since you have never trimmed a capacitor yourself, and might need considerable time to learn the difference between correct and incorrect hinge points in a filter, all of your statements regarding the audibility or desirability of close parts tolerances are, to use your phrase, malarkey!
It's easy to call someone a troll when you are backed into a corner. Too easy in fact. How about just answering the questions?
I have answered every question put to me. It is the troller's art to repeat the same questions, accuse his target of not addressing them, and point with scorn at the victim's lack of candor. Drivers with great precision in manufacture are available, we use them, and that is why I find it easy to determine the correct value for a crossover as opposed to one that is 1/200th of 1% too high or too low. Train yourself in advanced listening skills which you now seem to lack. You might like it.
Do you actually build speakers or just spend all day on this board defending yourself and calling others names? I think you are pathetic.
Dan
Hey "Audio Snob",What gives you the right to take a swipe at Brian? No one asked you anything, now did they?
Hey Audio Snob:What gives you the right the take a swipe at Brian? "Act like a camper and go take a hike" You jumping in and questioning Brian's livelyhood stinks up this board.
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