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In Reply to: below $3k spkrs. w/ slam posted by boo on January 08, 2002 at 12:22:31:
I'm always amazed at this site of the "Grass is Always Greener"approach
to audio. This person has a Killer system any one item of which other people would die to own.What he is saying is he doesn't cherish natural
sounding equipment in favor of the midfi muddy ,bloated or brighter, just to satisfy what he perceives is great sound. How long did he even give his system a chance to satisfy.
It's like the saying goes- "CAN"T GIVE A CREAMPUFF TO A PIG"
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You're not going to get it with the choices you list, because "slam" is a function of cone area. A little 6.5" 2-way cannot get loud in the lower midrange or below without severe distortion.Try a speaker such as the Tannoy Saturn S10 or a used Tannoy D700 to understand what "slam" is.
It's not a case of feeding creampuffs to a pig( i suppose you mean i'm the pig in this story).The room( even after room treatment) is too small and not rectangular enough for the Maggies.I just can't get them to sing in my room as i've heard them sound in other venues.I'd appreciate some constructive tips instead of lame insults.
Gotta love some condescending jerk who can't understand why someone would want to change gear. Isn't that the nature of audiophiles, to change equipment? I have had some great gear in my home, some of which I have missed, some of which I couldn't get rid of fast enough, but it is the change that makes it fun, experimenting with different gear is part of why it's called a hobby. If you just bought one system, never sold a part of it, and just bought music, then music would be your hobby, hopefully for most of us "audiophiles" the equipment and the music are both a hobby. I am also searching for a bit more "slam" and have just sold my Magnepan 3.5r's, that were at the end of about $25k worth of equipment. Yes mine sounded great, but it is time to satisfy that audiophile itch that we get so often, and buy something new! Please everyone, lets not insult or belittle someone when they ask for advice, after all someones decision to sell their "old" equipment could be an opportunity for someone else to find their new piece of dream gear!
True audiophiles are seeking natural and musical sounds from their gear,with a minimum of mistakes with their choices.This could be costly over time.Don't keep buying until you get it right. Only after you have exhausted every avenue of tweaks and room treatments. It's a rare room that can't be tamed.You have to train your ears with live concerts in order to know how good equipment should sound .Not the other way around comparing gear against gear...as a chic way to impress friends.
My analogy about creampuffs was meant to mean... a PIG is incapable of discerning the nuances of a delicious meal, any ole slop will do!
I'll bet if the original poster would take his Bryston add another and run them as a monoblock at 4 ohms 400 watts a side he would get his slam . do a search at AA find how others did it without selling Maggies.
Who are you to define what is a 'true audiophile' ? Others may have a different opinion. Your post smacks of narrowmindedness to me - I, like other posters here, love changing gear, playing around with different sources, amps...and I dislike almost all but the most basic tweaks. Nor am I the type to plaster egg cartons all over the living room - Sure the gear changing comes at a cost but that is my choice and my money. And, I have about 1500 cds and 500 LPs - it is not all about the kit.Stop digging
C./
Thanks Cato, I'm glad at least one other person agrees with me!
According to Websters New World Dictionary; audiophile: a devotee of high-fidelity sound reproduction on record players, tape recorders, etc. Yes, we do love music, but by definition, audiophiles are about the "reproduction" of that music, STUPID!!!
Wake up man, this is high end audio! Change is inevitable.
Your ears are learning devices attached to three massively parallel and redundant super-computers. Although the rule of thumb is that we can notice a difference in loudness of 3 dB, the actual noticeable amount may be as little as 1 dB, especially in the critical range of the human voice (a deep chest bass at 90 Hz to a lilting soprano up at 1200 kHz).This means that while new components can sound awesome when they are first installed and your first impressions tell you immediately how they sound, prolonged exposure to the components will reveal more and more about how it sounds with a variety of material and other components.
You, and your ears, are learning about the sound and the music. This isn't bad - it is what being a tweaking audiophile is all about. Besides what hobby doesn't have a budget? In my case, I have a budget, depending on current income, for wasting on such frivolous pursuits as hobbies (which I will candidly admit is the reason that I work at all). Every year, I plan and research some minor improvement to the system. My knowledge and enjoyment is growing. It is part of an organic, nay, make that human, experience.
Besides, when was the last time that you saw a review or a manufacturer's listing of all of the best amplifiers or cables, for example, that tested and sounded best with their system. Hell, they don't even warn us if their speaker impedance dips low or has wild curves. So tweaking audiophiles are left mixing and matching components from a field of hundreds - the possible combinations are mind boggling.
Thanx for saying what I was intending in my remarks.Trading and trading
is what the stock markets do, and sooner or later it will crash. Losing it all.
You sure have a rude way of saying it, and what is your sick dedication to Maggies? They are a great speaker, but there are a lot of great speakers out there, and Maggies just don't slam, not without a sub anyway.
Joe,Relax, this IS only a hobby afterall. Not brain surgery or the stock market.
For those of you who have fallen into audiophile madness I am starting a new program. . . AA (Audiophile Anonymous of course).
My fee is only $100/hour, please have credit card ready.
Sincerely,
Dr. Kevorkian
Ph. 555-1234
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