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Looking for speakers with punch for 15x16 room.Have Bryston 4bst,25p,vpi19mk4,jmw10,Grado plat.ref.,REL Strata3 sub.I have Mag1.6 now but tiring of the Maggie sound and wanting sound w/ more impact.Like jazz,rock.Considering Totem 1,B&W N805,Proac 1.5,any idea's.
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I started out looking at the N805. They were wonderful on quiet stuff but fell apart on louder stuff (sounded like mush on Santana Sacred Fire but okay on McLaughlin Babes in Radioland). I ended up with Dynaudio 52 (paid $750/pair) as Dynaudio said I didn't have enough amp for Contours (you do). They need a good sub to slam.
i completely disagree w/ most of the comments. a stand mount 2-way can't "slam".look at paradigm v100. silverline too.
or if you could get a used pair of reimers, you'd be happy too.
rhyno
You won't get slam with 5 and 6 inch woofers.JohnR
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My usual recommendation. A pair of ACI Jaguars. They are great speakers that can definitely push you around a bit if the music calls for it. You can get them new for about $2200 on closeout with full money-back warranty. That way you can put them in your rig for a month and determine for yourself if they do the things you want. You should be able to get a good matchup with your REL sub.
If you really want slam, take a look at their new Jaguar LE / LFM combo. With the powered woofers it should be able to hurt you! It is above your price range, but you'd be able to sell off your REL. You'd also have to wait a few months. That's my plan, sell my current Jaguars and Titan IIs and move into the Jag/LFM.
The literature I received on the new ACI combo shows that the lower freq speaker only goes down to 40 or 50 Hz (can't remember the exact number). It is clearly not a true full range speaker which in some ways reduces the appeal.
A page or two ago::A couple of days ago:I got a very nice email from Mike at ACI regarding my concerns about the low end frequency response of the new LFM. He told me that the specs were not officially known at the time of printing and that most if not all the numbers are incorrect. The amp for the LFM for example will be around 360 Watts and the actual numbers for the LFM will be in the range of 24-200Hz plus/minus 3db.
You might be able to find a used pair of Aerial 10Ts for under $3K. I own 10Ts -- and they can really slam if the music calls for it.
The Revel Performa F3o. The best speaker I have owned and has all the bass you will ever nee. I owned PSB Stratus Gold and The Genesis v. The Revels are better than the above by a wide margin. I purchased the store demos for 2900.00 I have not missed the Genesis v whic I never Liked. You wont find a beter speaker unless you spend 10k
Hi Frank,
What's your partnering gear?
I use a Cat sl1 mk11 preamp,cj premier 11a and Classe cdp .5 along with vpi hw19 jr with benz glider all cables and are MIT 330 tube interconnects and speaker cable 750 plus tube. I love the sound
Won't disappoint if slam is your thing. Neutral sound, too.
I'm always amazed at this site of the "Grass is Always Greener"approach
to audio. This person has a Killer system any one item of which other people would die to own.What he is saying is he doesn't cherish natural
sounding equipment in favor of the midfi muddy ,bloated or brighter, just to satisfy what he perceives is great sound. How long did he even give his system a chance to satisfy.
It's like the saying goes- "CAN"T GIVE A CREAMPUFF TO A PIG"
You're not going to get it with the choices you list, because "slam" is a function of cone area. A little 6.5" 2-way cannot get loud in the lower midrange or below without severe distortion.Try a speaker such as the Tannoy Saturn S10 or a used Tannoy D700 to understand what "slam" is.
It's not a case of feeding creampuffs to a pig( i suppose you mean i'm the pig in this story).The room( even after room treatment) is too small and not rectangular enough for the Maggies.I just can't get them to sing in my room as i've heard them sound in other venues.I'd appreciate some constructive tips instead of lame insults.
Gotta love some condescending jerk who can't understand why someone would want to change gear. Isn't that the nature of audiophiles, to change equipment? I have had some great gear in my home, some of which I have missed, some of which I couldn't get rid of fast enough, but it is the change that makes it fun, experimenting with different gear is part of why it's called a hobby. If you just bought one system, never sold a part of it, and just bought music, then music would be your hobby, hopefully for most of us "audiophiles" the equipment and the music are both a hobby. I am also searching for a bit more "slam" and have just sold my Magnepan 3.5r's, that were at the end of about $25k worth of equipment. Yes mine sounded great, but it is time to satisfy that audiophile itch that we get so often, and buy something new! Please everyone, lets not insult or belittle someone when they ask for advice, after all someones decision to sell their "old" equipment could be an opportunity for someone else to find their new piece of dream gear!
True audiophiles are seeking natural and musical sounds from their gear,with a minimum of mistakes with their choices.This could be costly over time.Don't keep buying until you get it right. Only after you have exhausted every avenue of tweaks and room treatments. It's a rare room that can't be tamed.You have to train your ears with live concerts in order to know how good equipment should sound .Not the other way around comparing gear against gear...as a chic way to impress friends.
My analogy about creampuffs was meant to mean... a PIG is incapable of discerning the nuances of a delicious meal, any ole slop will do!
I'll bet if the original poster would take his Bryston add another and run them as a monoblock at 4 ohms 400 watts a side he would get his slam . do a search at AA find how others did it without selling Maggies.
Who are you to define what is a 'true audiophile' ? Others may have a different opinion. Your post smacks of narrowmindedness to me - I, like other posters here, love changing gear, playing around with different sources, amps...and I dislike almost all but the most basic tweaks. Nor am I the type to plaster egg cartons all over the living room - Sure the gear changing comes at a cost but that is my choice and my money. And, I have about 1500 cds and 500 LPs - it is not all about the kit.Stop digging
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Thanks Cato, I'm glad at least one other person agrees with me!
According to Websters New World Dictionary; audiophile: a devotee of high-fidelity sound reproduction on record players, tape recorders, etc. Yes, we do love music, but by definition, audiophiles are about the "reproduction" of that music, STUPID!!!
Wake up man, this is high end audio! Change is inevitable.
Your ears are learning devices attached to three massively parallel and redundant super-computers. Although the rule of thumb is that we can notice a difference in loudness of 3 dB, the actual noticeable amount may be as little as 1 dB, especially in the critical range of the human voice (a deep chest bass at 90 Hz to a lilting soprano up at 1200 kHz).This means that while new components can sound awesome when they are first installed and your first impressions tell you immediately how they sound, prolonged exposure to the components will reveal more and more about how it sounds with a variety of material and other components.
You, and your ears, are learning about the sound and the music. This isn't bad - it is what being a tweaking audiophile is all about. Besides what hobby doesn't have a budget? In my case, I have a budget, depending on current income, for wasting on such frivolous pursuits as hobbies (which I will candidly admit is the reason that I work at all). Every year, I plan and research some minor improvement to the system. My knowledge and enjoyment is growing. It is part of an organic, nay, make that human, experience.
Besides, when was the last time that you saw a review or a manufacturer's listing of all of the best amplifiers or cables, for example, that tested and sounded best with their system. Hell, they don't even warn us if their speaker impedance dips low or has wild curves. So tweaking audiophiles are left mixing and matching components from a field of hundreds - the possible combinations are mind boggling.
Thanx for saying what I was intending in my remarks.Trading and trading
is what the stock markets do, and sooner or later it will crash. Losing it all.
You sure have a rude way of saying it, and what is your sick dedication to Maggies? They are a great speaker, but there are a lot of great speakers out there, and Maggies just don't slam, not without a sub anyway.
Joe,Relax, this IS only a hobby afterall. Not brain surgery or the stock market.
For those of you who have fallen into audiophile madness I am starting a new program. . . AA (Audiophile Anonymous of course).
My fee is only $100/hour, please have credit card ready.
Sincerely,
Dr. Kevorkian
Ph. 555-1234
Dynaudio Contour 1.3SE - $3500
Mirage IIIsi Speaker - discontinued; used prices onlyI,too, have Maggie 1.6s and the two speakers above would be my next choice if I moved away from planar design. When you get in this quality range, it's like dumping Heather Locklear for Julia Roberts - no lose.
Assuming you're looking at only standmounters, the marble Norh 9.0 will have more output than the B&W and Totem for midbass/bass. Haven't heard the ProAc 1.5. For floorstanders, there are many more options.
And the 7.0's will have even more..although not as deep as the 9.0.To the original poster...I think a floorstander is the best opinion if your after a big, dynamic sound.
ATC speakers. Both the standmount and floorstand models have great punch. Incredible midbass performance, though lack deep back. But you have a sub anyway. Very suitable for Jazz and rock, I think. Not sure how much they cost, but there should be a model in your price range, especially used ones.
NHT 2.9, 3.3 (used)
Vr-4's (used)KP
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