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In Reply to: your tatics suck posted by Steve'o on January 05, 2002 at 17:36:55:
Steve,Grow up. Show me one post where I threatened anyone. If I recall, I said I would visit Mike personally and "calmly" discuss our differences, namely that he was posting lies about me. I said that twice. My exact words were "calmly". Then I offered to simply discuss the issue by phone. Some threat, huh? It has always amazed me how lies vanish when one speaks directly to the accused. It is always the same, "I didn't really mean to imply..." or "you misinterpreted what I said...". You get the point.
The truth is, I have never signed anyone up for pornographic websites and never will and I deeply resent the lie that I did. One never knows if a kid has access to the computer in question and besides, there is way to much of that stuff available without my help. However, Mike did send me an email with a pornographic attachment and I have the email to prove it. And then he makes up lies about others sending him pornographic messages!
It is easy to hide behind the anonymity of the net and foster any kind of lies you want. Hey, call me a jerk, an asshole, whatever. I am a big boy, I can take it, but don't publicly post lies about me that are patently untrue.
And Steve, apparently you can't read. My issue is not with Mike's dislike of the 645's. Would you please re-read the post. I do have a problem however, with Mike's not-so-subtle personal vendetta against a well-meaning businessman, specifically John Meyer and his company. If you had any ethics at all, you would be more upset at Mike for trying to destroy an honest businessman's product and reputation. All your little mind can see is that these posts are "opinions about audio products". But behind everyone of these companies that people trash (simply because "I hear a suck-out in the mid-range", etc. )are hard-working men with a lot on the line. So if you don't like a product, just say so, don't buy it and then move on. But don't make it a personal campaign.
Steve, I hope when you grow up, you own a company. And I wish upon you just one MikeCH customer. I can promise you that you will have a very different opinion when it is your turn in the barrel.
Warren
Follow Ups:
> Show me one post where I threatened anyone.Steve correctly stated that it was deleted by Mart last week.
> If I recall, I said I would visit Mike personally and "calmly" discuss our differences, namely that he was posting lies about me. I said that twice. My exact words were "calmly". Then I offered to simply discuss the issue by phone. Some threat, huh? It has always amazed me how lies vanish when one speaks directly to the accused.
Your recollection is incorrect. You did say that if I wished to continue to [yada, yada, yada] in the future I should [blah, blah, blah] now. Saying that you'd hop on a plane to confront face to face me is an outright form of intimidation. If these don't constitute threats I don't know what does. In any event, the moderator believed them to be and this is why your posts were deleted. Your statement was further predicated on the false claim that I posted lies against you. As I recall, Randy made some claims that you weren’t happy about.
> I have never signed anyone up for pornographic websites and never will and I deeply resent the lie that I did.
This isn't what Randy had to say. You've also sent me some private, shamefully hostile e-mail that would tend to substantiate Randy's claims.
> I do have a problem however, with Mike's not-so-subtle personal vendetta against a well-meaning businessman, specifically John Meyer and his company.
My "vendetta" isn't with John. Rather, it's with a§§-holes like yourself who take my factual opinions to heart, attempt to discredit my experience and then wage an all out hate-fest campaign. Further, all of your hate mongering is being done under the guise that you're upholding the reputation of a small-business owner. I'm afraid your behavior isn't very commendable, especially from such self-proclaimed “stand-up guy”.
Just to set the record straight, all I've ever said is that the R645 is a mediocre sounding speaker at best. If your hearing ability is such that you like them, GREAT! I never liked your prior speakers either (the LS35A), but then again nobody ever proclaimed them to be cost-no-object contenders.> But don't make it a personal campaign.
Talk about calling the kettle black! Warren, attempt to discredit me all you want but two facts will remain: 1) The R645 is what it is regardless of all the hype - a mediocre sounding product with some obviously serious flaws. 2) Your personal attacks against me will fail because your audience isn't as gullible as you think.
All of this aside, I'm happy to see that people are posting their honest opinions of this highly flawed product. It's just too bad that they will most likely be subjected to the type of harassment that you and other NFR owners have gained a reputation for.
Mike,You have posted so many lies you don't know what the truth is anymore.
Most of what you just said is a lie.
Mike, karma is a funny thing and I am sure you will get yours some day. On second thought, I suspect you are already getting it. You are a lonely, negative little man.
You really aren't worth any more of my time.
Warren
How ironic you are, my little Warren. Your self-delusional inflictions are clouding your ability to reason properly.Please keep sending my those cuite love letters of yours. I'm making a collection for the better half of your Karma.
Since I am saving them, anyone interested will be able to read them off my website.
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