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In Reply to: EFE Technologies(Ed Frias Enterprises) T-22 Loudspeaker T-22 Speakers posted by Pete Whitley on August 11, 2001 at 19:23:39:
When you first got them, you said that planars had a greater "presence" and impact (I think). What would you say the biggest differences are between the MTM and planars are?What made you decide to try box speakers again?
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Maggies offer a clear picture window into the music, as with the Newform Research. Unfortunatley they both SUCK with rock and roll. Easy listening music..it's scary. I added the Image Clarifier's to my MMG's and it made heavy rock bearable but still bright and irritating. Planars have their place.DM, I might be going out a limb by saying this but a group of guys went to the last CES show a couple of months ago and all ageed that their was only one speaker that beat the Eds Frias's T-60's and they cost $38,000. Remember, the T-22 are the upper half of the T-22's.
The Maggies are great but as far as realism goes the EFE speakers rule.
Audiovector-mellow bass, untouched imaging. He even beveled the grills.
JMR Twins-No Impact but perfect timber. I have heard the Trentes at Mike Matzels house and they had deep bass. It makes me wonder how the Offrands soundMMG and Newform Research-Jazz and classical only!!!
EFE Speakers are the best deal in audio...PERIOD!!!!
Pete
If you have only listened to maggies with the system described in your review, then I am not surprised at your conclusions. Please listen with something a little more worthy of the speakers and then see what you think.I find the 1.6s to be very dynamic with rock, metal, blues etc... As much so as any box speaker I have ever heard.
If there is anything bright and irritating in your system, point the finger at something other than the maggies.
Oz
I can imagine why you might say this, but it might be for a different reason. I had an encounter with this a week or so ago (noted in General), and my conclusion is the nature of Maggies (wide dispersion and accompanying soundstage) doesn't impart the intensity of a rock performance that you can get from dynamic/horn speakers (more tightly "beamed"). IMO there is a certain visceral quality that my Maggies (1.6) don't impart. We won't discuss frequency range attributes now, just the "rock" factor. Do I miss it? Well, I noticed it very much at higher listening levels. But I mostly play rock and not really loud. The Maggies sound quite nice, and I'm pleased with them, but I couldn't honestly say they'd be well suited for a heavy rock jammer.
> my conclusion is the nature of Maggies (wide dispersion and accompanying soundstage).Maggies do not have wide dispersion - either horizontally or vertically. They image the way they do partially because of this fact.
Sounds like it to me, or am I using the wrong word to describe a "less pointed" source? Anyway, that's what I meant, and I'm terrible with the audio lingo.
How do they rate, IYHO?
and saw your comment on the Audiovectors.
> > > MMG and Newform Research-Jazz and classical only!!! < < < < <Lets clarify this a little. Maggies have no punch, thats why you don't like them with R&R. If you think classical and jazz music have no punch and are therefore good for Maggies you don't know much about classical and jazz. All classical is not Jean Pierre Rampal.
Enjoy your new speakersSteve
Steve,It has a something to do with punch and dynamics but mainly a brightness in the treble. The MMG's sounded tipped up and when I put on the attenuators it muffled the sound. I do love them and plan on keeping them. I was very unhappy with the Newform Research, very bright sound for my ears. I'm only speaking of the Newform Research R630s and Magnepan MMG's.
Your right, I don't know much about classical but a whole lot about jazz.
I know I've mad some strong statements about the EFE's but they are really that good.
Pete
Sorry, but he is correct. Planars don't Rock & Roll, even with a sub. Nice jazz speakers though.
I'm not sure where you see disagreement. Re-read my post. Planers have no punch,that in my opinion makes them unsuitable for any music.Steve
planars at some point in your life to see what you're missing. I've yet to hear an Aerial with natural sounding bass or the rest of the audio range for that matter. Good Magnepan set ups are a coupe orders of magnitudes better than 99 % of cone speakers for reproducing the live music event. I think it depends on what you're listening for with your stereo. I can't believe ears can be that different.Alan G.
I bet I've heard magnaplaners alot more often than you've heard Aerials, if you have at all. But thats neither here nor there. I am impressed that you went to lookup my system so you could personalize an insult. Why bother since "Good Magnepan set ups are a coupe orders of magnitudes better than 99 % of cone speakers for reproducing the live music event." That must mean there only one magnatude better than the last 1% of cone speakers. GMAFB. I have spent and do spend alot of time around live events. I used to play French Horn professionally and currently work as a sound engineer. You can like your maggies, thats fine but they have no punch, and without punch you can't simulate a live event. Unless of course your only live events consist of flute or harp solos. You can make several good arguements for planers but thats not the one to choose.Regards
Steve
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