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In Reply to: Asking for Comment: Von Schweikert Audio VR-5 SE vs VR-4 SR MK II posted by CKKeung on May 9, 2007 at 16:40:20:
I’ve heard the VR-4 SR numerous times, the last time being about a month ago at a fellow audiophile’s house. Some like it, but personally I think it’s one of Albert’s least successful efforts. I actually like the previous-generation VR-4 Gen III HSE quite a bit more. I think you can do better for significantly less. As for the VR-5s, VSA’s recent dramatic price increases don’t exactly make them a great value. They’re excellent speakers, to be sure—certainly better than the SRs—but I’m not sure I’d spend the money for them. And I was a diehard VSA fan for a long time.
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I have never heard the VR 4 SR Quint, but I really like the VR 4 Jr's.
Though I have owned them for a long time, I never really gave them a chance.
My Son conned me out of them when they were but a month old.
He recently moved away, and I got them back, fully broken in.Honestly, they surprised the heck out of me!
The TRICK to them is to get ANY harshness out of your system..
Then, and only then can you run the rear tweeters up.W/O it's rear tweeter playing IMO, the VR 4 JR is just another good speaker.
But, IMO it really needs it's rear tweeter to become magick.It also needs low inductance wire on it's upper drivers, or it can be a tad dark.
As you know, i have many pairs of high end speakers, and the VR 4JR's won't be my final purchase.
Nothing ever is for me, LOLBut I think it is an outstanding design.
Many make the mistake during break in of not turning the rear tweeter all the way up so it can fully break in.
But, when the rear tweeter and the rest of the speaker is fully broken in, I find them to be insanely musical, and a good buy.
Hey, Ka7niq:I agree with you about the JRs. I had a loaner pair while my VR-9s were being built, and my friends couldn't believe how good they were. But, as you indicated, the rear tweeter is THE key. Without it, it's a pretty run-of-the mill speaker, IMO. Same holds true for my Gen IIIs. With the rear tweet properly dialed and burned in, it's a totally different beast, with a spatial dimensionality that's pretty impressive. Not sure where Albert went wrong with the SR, but I'm not impressed, even with the MK II.
I have never heard a VR 4 SR, but the VR 4 JR is an impressive acheivement.
Albert made a mistake with that name, the "JR'S"
Albert meant Just Right, but people THINK they are Junior VR 4's, LOLLike I said, I didn't think much of em when I first got em, even lent em to my 25 year old kid.
Got em back, and they just sat while I played with my 801's, VMPS RM 40's, and the Vortex Screen prototypes.
When all 3 speakers were down, I had nothing to listen to!
In sheer desperation, I hooked em up, and was soon blown away!Their weakness, in my room is the two small woofers.
And, I am scared my kids will blow them up with Rap!
Plus, I have MONSTER 9.5 CU FT Subs with 15" TC Sounds drivers with 28 MM X Max driven by 1200 watt monoblocks.
The VR 4 JR's just wont play quite loud enough sometimes.
I am afraid i will hurt them in my big room.But, with those two exceptions, and my fear of my kids playing Rap, I could listen to them forever!
You are SOO right about the rear tweeter!
They are just another good speaker w/o broken in rear tweeters.
But, get the rear tweeter broken in, get harshness out of system, and look out.
They become majic, and take on a dimensionality that is addicting.Plus, they make everything sound at least listenable, yet really shine on great recordings.
I am working on the VMPS RM 40's as we speak.
But I keep looking at the little VR 4 JR's in the corner as I struggle to get the RM 40's sounding like I want.
What are YOU up to speaker wise these Days Quint ?
I ought to sell everything, get VR 10's and be done with it, LOL
But YOU and I both know it is NEVER done, or is it ?
Seriously, the little VR 4 JR's made me musically happy for almost two months.
By that I mean I couldn't wait to listen to my stuff again.
Actually, I sold off my most of my main system months ago. It was getting too unwieldy and expensive, and life in the "rarified air" just wasn't making me happy. It fact, I was pretty miserable. I sold the VR-9s to a doctor in Arkansas, and he's absolutely ga-ga over them. After much research, I'm putting together a SOTA headphone rig. Certainly, it won't do everything a great speaker-based system will--particularly in the slam department--but the converse is also true. A great headphone setup can be quite amazing. You can hardly call an 18k headphone rig a bargain, but compared with where I'm coming from, it certainly is, LOL!
Yes, a good headphone rig can be quite entertaining.
I get "burned out" and sometimes make radical changes, keeps it interesting.
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