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In Reply to: Do Dynaudio drivers still bottom out on the Audience 52SE or have they addressed the problem. (nt) posted by Borough33 on March 29, 2007 at 20:41:01:
I have owned Countour 1.8s, Special 25's and Audience 52SEs.
I am not a head banger or volume freak. I just feel that these speakers were not made for rocking out.Drove the 25s with a modest Naim system and the woofer bottomed out.
Drove the 52SEs with a Rotel receiver and Sim i3 and they bottomed out.I've "bottomed out" of the Dynaudio speaker market forever.
I replaced the 52SEs with Ref 3a DeCapo Is........what a difference.
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Your amp did not have the juice to drive them.
Fool.
I had a Naim 250 to the 25s. I'm sure you have no idea what that is.Moron.
I had a Sim i3 with 100 wpc driving the 52s.If my amp "didn't have the juice", then they would not have bottomed out.
Based on your statement:"If my amp "didn't have the juice", then they would not have bottomed out."
it is obvious that you do not even have a clue what I was talking about.
Based on your behavior, I will let others decide who is "Fool" or "Moron".
Serious wanker you are, dude.
It's just so typical why I've been away from this place for 9 months.I introduce an opinion - based on tangible experience - that directly addresses an issue and concern that someone expresses in a new thread......and what do you do?
With no detailed and referenced personal experience, you just put bile on the thread.
In my humble basement system, I had a Sim i3/Sony 999es/Rel Strata III and Dynaudio Audience 52SEs. The volume on the SIM goes from 0-50.
At volume level 38 (on average recordings) the Dyns ran out of gas.
I auditioned new speakers, they didn't do this, they sounded better, I bought them.I told this to John, Marc and ken at ProMusica and they admitted that Dyn MONITORS had issues with "bottoming out".
Not too sure if this answers your question but we discussed this in the DIY forums http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?s=fad0c11e18d055c9342d982bc4dfd89b&threadid=95377&highlight=One of the members had replaced the drivers in his 1.3MKII's and still experienced the new drivers bottoming out.
The bottoming out is happening with the 17W75LQ's driver.
Dude.....do away.....i answered the man's original post.You....?.....what's your purpose?
Every driver can be bottomed out, if you play it too loud, or with too much low frequency notes below port resonance (or amp that can not controll them).Facts: Dynaudio 17W series drivers have Xmax p-p of close to 20mm. Most of the other manufacturers have this number for similarl drivers less than half that value, just look at the Focal , Seas, Peerless data (even when number is doubled when +/- is specified).
Scanspeak is one of the few that has aproximatelly the same Xmax as Dynaudio.
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Chill.
I'm hear to relay MY experiences over 10 years with Dyns.I drove the 1.8s with Krell amps.
25s by Naim.
52s by Sim AudioOther speakers that I have currently - driven by the same amps - play better, louder, clearer, deeper.......and never bottom out at the same volumes that brought the Dyns to their bloody knees.
Hey, good on you and good for you if your experiences are different/better.
My experience with Dynaudios is +-25 years, so what."play better, ... clearer," quality or preference is not what we are discussing here.
"louder" - maybe, depends on the sensitivity, but you must be dreaming that ProAc Tablette 50 can play louder than even smallest of the noted Dynaudios, (do not want to even mention 1.8s)
"deeper", continue dreaming that DeCapo play anything of decently low frequency, their output drops down like a stone as you go below aprox 80.
All that you said even further convinced me that either you played too loud for the speaker, or that actually your amps started clipping /loosing control of the speaker. Most of the Dynaudios are nasty load partially due to large voice coil they use.
It is also indicative that number of reviewers and owners (just search the web) note that Dyns like to rock, just you have a problem and claim that they do not rock?!?
I do not own Dynaudios any more and probably will not buy them again, but reason definitively will not be that they can not rock, or play loud, or since bottom out. Contrary those would be the reason to buy them.
Grind your axe elsewhere, amigo.
I'm trying to answer the original post - something that you fail to grasp.
Amen to that.
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