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In Reply to: Von Schweikert VR-1 vs. Paradigm Studio 20s v.3 ? posted by hukkfinn on March 26, 2007 at 15:43:42:
I ask not to be a wise ass, but you seem to be of the impression that the VR1s lack bass response. You'll only know if you put them nearer and farther away from a back wall and actually listen in a real room. Forget the reviews you may have read (I'm recalling a recent thread in which you commented) and try out the real thing.If you think they're weak in bass when you audition them or don't like them for any reason, then move on.
I'd not buy ANY speaker without extensive auditions. At worst I'd only buy with a true money back guarantee if it were truly impossible to audition them.
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I will buy on Audiogon and re-sell if they don't work for me.Anybody here want to sell me theirs??
The frequency response graphs show a lot more happening between 55 and 70hz with the Paradigms. My listening to that speaker confirms that they have great bass for their size. Just thought I'd ask around in case the VR-1s have no chance in heck at competing in that area.
Thanks for your thoughts on these.
Third, their woofers take a very very long time to break in, both according to the manufacturer and experience you'll see posted on this board. In fact, they say 400 hours of bass music at listening volumes and that's my experience too.So there's no way you will know for many months of listening what the bass is really capable of.
One reason it's been recommended that folks consider a clean used set that's already broken in, but not broken. The VSA warranty is 10 years anyway.
Hukk, I don't know the Paradigms, so cannot offer any comparison.A couple of reasons I settled on the VR1s: great bass response for a monitor and great imaging. So you know my biases.
Meantime, you may want to bone up on the VR1s and other VSA speakers' placement requirements.
First, for bass you need to keep them closer to the back walls for max base response. That does not mean that it falls off mightily, just that distance from back wall does impact bass reinforcement. Mine, as I told you, are 22" from the back wall and that's bass enough from them for me!
Second, VSA speakers are designed to work best with an equilateral triangle placement relative to your listening position, and that's usually also flat front, not toed-in. So that does impact what rooms may work best with this differently than with many other speakers, particularly if your room is long and narrow in width relative to your seat. There are workarounds for this, but just thought you should know this. When properly placed they're really fantastic on imaging, even off axis they're good at it.
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