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In Reply to: perhaps posted by mac on October 20, 2005 at 19:36:08:
Not certain why you are so abrasive, but possibly as an owner, you are under the assumption that I'm saying the combination is bad.It appears that when it comes to amps you are of the view that there is little difference between most well constructed amps. That is not an opinion I share. It is worth trying others, no matter what the good Dr says.
The good news is that as an owner of the units, you have a world class speaker with a superior design parameter (open baffle) implemented by a world class designer and you appear happy as such. Enjoy the units.
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> It appears that when it comes to amps you are of the view that there is little difference between most well constructed amps.That is where you would be wrong. I'm using Hypex UcD based amps with my Orions. I do concede that a Theta Dreadnought II would likely sound better than an ATI amplifier. However, at what cost? The difference between the two amps would be IMO very subtle. OTOH, the cost difference is huge.
The typical argument is that is often made is that going to an active system involves compromising on amplification, and I believe this was your initial point. The fact of the matter is a set of Orions driven by an ATI amplifier will significantly outperform a $5,000 amplifier of your choice paired with a $2,000 set of speakers of your choice.
"The typical argument is that is often made is that going to an active system involves compromising on amplification"I'd only slightly modify this to say
"The typical argument is that is often made is that going to an active system CAN involve compromising on amplification"And you are correct that was my input. I've heard a good number of "home constructor/kit based" and a few commercial actives where sadly this is the case. Does not mean it is a given, just a not to rare possibility.
It is a bit odd that you are giving out grief on the suggestion that the Orions will respond to more refined amps, and yet you don't use the ATI yourself. Out of interest was there a techincial/preference reason you use something other than the ATI or was it more an econimics issue( had amps, or good deal type thing)?
As to the $5000 amp/$2000 speaker issue. That sonic preferences or speakers are so subjective, there is no real way to win or lose that suggestion. For me I might feel that a Cyrus Brenneman Cavilier (el 34 based) connected to a 1964 JBL S7 or S8 to be more to my liking with equal output capabilities and would have couple of thousand left over from the $7000 budget. BUT that would not mean that the Orion/ATI is inferior to everyone, hardly, just different. Hence no way to win or lose that suggestion.
> It is a bit odd that you are giving out grief on the suggestion that the Orions will respond to more refined amps, and yet you don't use the ATI yourself.It's not my intent to give out any grief. I'm simply stating that you aren't really in the position to 1) State that the ATI amplifier is a limiting factor in an Orion system. 2) Recommend specific amps for the Orion. IMO in order for you to do either would require you to OWN a set of Orions and have TRIED THEM with the ATI and the other amps you've recommended. It's just way too easy to dismiss the ATI amplifier to the ones you've recommended w/o having tried it yourself. (Vis a vi my arm-chair critic comment).
I've used a few different amps with my Orions (but not the ATI). I don't use the ATI because I prefer to build my own.
If you're into vintage equipment I'm surprised that you would find any merit with the Orions. They are so diametrically different from the JBL's you mentioned that I find it hard to believe that you could like both. Given this, and what I mentioned above (arm-chair critic) I cannot place any credibility in your amplifier recommendation for the Orion. I would like to believe that others see it that way too.
No amount of talking or explaining has helped me get past your bias and name calling.The thread has turned silly now, and I'll bow out of this now. Enjoy your units.
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