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WHAT A DISAPPOINTMENT. I was expecting innovative new drivers or advanced new cabinet design. Instead it is a piece of wood with a slit covering the ribbons of the same old models. Puullleeese !!!!What exactly is patented, the piece of wood ? This looks more like a Casler superdupertweak than a real factory innovation.
You are incorrect, and obviously have not examined the lengthy background of the invention carefully. Its sonic benefits are enormous.
VMPS then it's probably a speaker maker I want to hear. Sounds like jealousy to me. I can't imagine this company can be as bad as people say if it has been around this long.I also don;t have a problem with the maker of the speakers arrogant enough to believe his stuff is the best. I personally WANT a manufacturer to believe in what he is selling and believe that he is "right." I may not agree with him or her when I actually listen to their gear but at least they have a view and from what I can tell they stay to their general convictions.
And any speaker that can be driven well of SETs can't be all bad :-)
I think Brian Cheney has been the most upfront manufacturer I've encountered in discussing qc problems with his products, including cabinet suppliers and panel driver manufacturers. He's also been generous with his technical and historical knowledge online. While my instinctive, personal preference might be for less resolving speakers than his, I have little doubt that his products offer a lot of value for the money.As for specific complaints from individuals or the marketing of his new controlled directivity patent I don't really know.
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type of person I've never known him to hype anything in decades. Another thing apparently some people aren't bright enough to understand yet is it's usually not wise to criticize anything you don't understand lest you end up looking like a fool. Then I suspect there are those here that are used to it.Listen to the latest generation of VMPS speakers that are properly set up and then check out how much they cost. They're pretty amazing and extremely competetive. This is before the waveguide technology. Brian may be up front but he's also very honest and this has been consistent. What more could you want?
Brian your marketing is as sketchy as your shitty speakers. The fact you are confronting and whining about a former customer speaks volumes about your lack of business acumen and tact. I'm glad you think TechTV is some kind of benchmark. Sane people see it as a total joke.
Yeah weren't there somewhat fewer than a handful of contestests in the high end audio category the years you won something ? Yoy do have a lot of couilles to base your whole marketing scheme around that TechTV award.As far as your new driver or whatever it is, faut péter dans l'eau pour faire des bulles.
BOOO HOOO
Why don't you read some more of our 50+ professional reviews? Many can be accessed on our Forum at audiocircle.com.Denigrating the Best of CES is standard tactic for naysayers. Strange then that manufacturers spend millions vying for the awards, and trumpet their victory all over the place in the unlikely event they win.
In 2002 there were 260 Specialty Audio exhibitors, 37 nominees, 3 finalists and one unanimous winner--us. A panel of 26 judges participated in the final selections.
TechTV is about as qualified to judge high end sound as Madeline Albright is to judge a beauty contest.
I'm sure the people at Meridian (2004 Best of CES for High End Audio) didn't know that. The NHT folks (2005 winner) will also be shocked.
I did flunk Diplomacy (twice!) in high school...
And for those who spend too much time grooming their anus.
u r an asshole
Still haven't seen any substative information from Brian or the good "Dr. Mantu". Of course the slow, planned release probably fits into the whole marketing strategy.My guess is that you're leading up to some type of triangular or other strangely shaped waveguide to put in front of the planars as an upgrade, or incorporated into the cabinet structure for new speakers. That may work towards the constant directivity goal but won't improve their frequency response or low end performance, which were issues with two different VMPS models I owned.
Call me a skeptic until I hear this for myself...
PS -- first posted this in the old thread
For a second opinion:Posted on the VMPS Forum at audiocircle.com Tue Nov 4, 2003 under the subject "VMPS cabinets":
"I have seen some "piano black" and standard oak finishes and agree they weren't the most attractive I've seen. But I must say Sal (VMPS cabinetmaker in Socal) did a wonderful job on my walnut RM40's. Yes they are veneered "boxes" but they do meet my (and my more picky wife's) criteria for "furniture quality". I just found out the cabinets for my RM/X have not walnut veneer but inlaid walnut panels...doubt you will see anything like that coming from PRC. There are some things that can only be done with fine American craftsmanship, although everything comes at a price (usually about 3x what I expect it to cost!)
...lower production costs will help Big B keep his his business healthy so he can keep making more great speakers."
(ekovalsky)There are a dozen more posts from you praising the RM40 and RM/X sound quality, bass, smoothness etc. You even published a pic of your whole family dancing blissfully to the sounds of the RM/X.
This all changed just a few months ago when you came by a pair of HP's reference Alon's at 30 cents on the dollar. Perhaps our quality paled by comparison to your new speakers, but not according to you. Do I have to pull up all those positive posts you made to the VMPS Forum through 2004?
Why the vendetta?
BTW you are incorrect in all your assumptions about our new Constant Directivity speakers.
Brian,I do find your marketing techniques somewhat suspect. The stories are cute, but I'm curious to see what the hype is all about.
I've posted voluminously about VMPS speakers on the AC forums but stopped per your request. My enthusiasm about your products took a nosedive when all the performance issues I raised were dismissed by you as being related to my ignorance or my room, and were then confirmed independently by other owners.
As a reminder the walnut cabinets were never delivered. After putting me off with excuses for several months, when I asked for my money back you conjured up a piano black pair and shipped them out pronto. And you picked up the hefty freight bill which was most generous. I'll say it again -- Dorne's piano black lacquer RM/X cabinets were awesome.
Yes I do now have HP's reference in my listening room. Despite your criticisms of Carl Marchosotto's design and choice of drivers, I'm totally satisfied with them. As they should at their price point, they signficantly outperform the RM/X in every parameter. Particularly in the mid and upper bass where I could never get good integration and impact from your speakers. Their frequency response is dramatically flatter too, obviating the need for any correction above 120hz.
And it has been wonderful to have speakers (used ones in fact) that have not required me to attack them with a Dremel or soldering iron to get them to work properly. Both of those tools, and a few others including a multimeter, were part of the un-included VMPS accessory kit.
Cheers
The only times you needed tools or soldering was to install the free upgrades I sent you during the 1 1/2 yrs. you owned the RM/X.I am not familiar with the Alons, having only seen pictures. They performed poorly at the Stereophile HE show where the "HP reference system" was met with hoots of derision from audiophiles and press alike.
You should also mention, every time you point with pride to your new speakers, that they retail for $126,000 the set and you paid $40,000.
They should be better than anything for that money.You made amateurish in-room measurements which you thought gospel. I sent you accurate nearfield measurements which showed none of the problems you complained about. You chose to ignore them.
You received exemplary customer service from me and your dealer John Casler. I met with you at CES and offered an in-home visit for the price of a $59 plane ticket. You declined.
Your later posts on AC, and a truly awful, mendacious email you sent to John Casler, show me you have lost all perspective on the audio hobby.
Your nasty attitude, paranoia and turn-with-the-wind opinions are simply scandalous from a man of science like yourself.
The next time you post something derogatory anywhere on line about VMPS, pause and reflect that you said the exact opposite many times when you were an owner. You should feel very, very foolish.
Thanks for the kind words!Yeah, the RM/X didn't need any hard core work. You sent me as a free upgrade a replacement passive radiator set painted with glue.
But remember my RM-40s with the planars drivers that would either not work at all, or cut in and out constantly ? I had to remove eight drivers from my new speakers, dremel off two aluminum rivets from each to replace with hardware you sent me after about six weeks, then resolder the wires back on. Then I find out later from the dealer that some of the panels just may have had the wrong impedance... after checking with a multimeter and finding about half were different than the others, another whole set of drivers was sent so out went the old ones and in went the new ones.
There was also a woofer whose surround fell off after a few months of light use, but that was fixed with Elmers glue and a cast iron frying pan of appropriate size. No big deal.
My amateur measuremements may not be gospel but they did demonstrate some problems with the speakers -- like absent deep bass below 35hz and major cancellation issues between driver groups. And depending on how they were positioned a hole around the bass-mid crossover point. My new speakers (which were $35k -- definitely a luxury purchase) don't have these problems with the same measuring equipment and room. But neither do some much less expensive speakers that several former VMPS owners now have.
Maybe I should have taken you up on your in-home visit offer. But there is only so much that can be accomplished with micrograms of putty on a passive radiator and 0.1dB L-pad adjustments.
The letter I sent to John Casler expressed the opinion of many other VMPS owners, not just myself. I've owned many other good speakers besides VMPS, most of which I have fond memories of and still would recommend to others.
But I am just a nasty, paranoid, turn-with-the-wind, scandalous, foolish man of science by day, audiophile by night. Don't worry I won't publicly comment on my VMPS experience any more. I curiously await the substance of your new invention.
You're right, we had plenty of problems with the original Sonigistix panels, with their pressure-fitted signal-carrying aluminum rivets. We ended up sending rebuilt panels to all early RM 40 owners.
Sonigistix denied the problem, even after I hired Bascom King to confirm its existence, and the efficacy of our cure.The manufacturer went out of business because of this design flaw, although he denied its existence to the very end.
The Sonigistix panels work well for their intended purpose - low cost computer speakers. The real flaw has to do with your reasoning to use them in your line of "hifi" speakers.
Most Sonigistix panels went into Kia automobiles or full range home speakers under the "Monsoon" brand name. Most failed in the field because of the mechanical design flaw I describe.Once again, your ignorance and bias are showing, bigtime.
This is standard operating procedure for VMPS. Right around the end of the summer/early fall they launch their marketing campaign about cutting edge technology that will be released at CES or just prior. They string everyone along for weeks on end with spotty information and a bad picture or two. After the product is introduced, Brian raves about how some Tech TV judge at CES had to change his panties after hearing this new technology. About a month or two after CES the complaints start coming in and there about a dozen or so "upgrades" that can improve this revolutionary technology.These "fixes" are in addition to the standard drill of broken drivers, marred cabinet finishes, missing gaskets, bad pots, loose internal wires, failed caps, vibrating cabinets, cracked bases and a whole host of other quality control issues. These are all well documented over at Audio Circle. There has been a surge of other great sounding speakers with a build quality that embarasses VMPS and I think sales have slowed quite a bit- hence the marketing drive about this new technology. A lot of VMPS owners have gotten off this train ride and are quite happy. YMMV.
This was so predictable, here is part of an e-mail I sent to a friend in August.
"I’m sure right about Sept-Oct there will be some miraculous new technology Brain has discovered that will debut at CES 2006. Top secret. Classified Code Red. No one knows. Not even Brian! Casler will go into excruciating detail on how it will be cutting edge, make all other driver technology obsolete, and was developed when Brian was sitting on the crapper with diarrhea at CES 2005 after eating bad sushi with Pimp Daddy Bongiorno.
Existing VMPS owners can perform surgery on their current speakers and upgrade for a reasonable fee. And we go round and round and round……………….It’s called the VMPS Circle Jerk!
Glad I’m an ex-member! We should all go out and celebrate!"
Cheery little fellow, aren't you?Going to need a fresh piece of paper for the Enemies List!
It will pass. It's that time of the month and I'm constipated as well.No need to make me an enemy. Just offering my "take" on things. I wish you neither physical, spiritual, emotional, or financial distress.
Hi V-PMS,What a man you are.
You come to a public forum, write a whole list of negative claims, and hide behind a silly name.
Not man enough to post your name?
Or maybe your a girl (or wish you were since you claim PMS)
That stand for Very Poorly Made Speaker, which cause grief much like woman with PMS.
Back to cranky, I see.Go to this year's "Bound for Sound". See Marty de Wulf's reviews of the RM 40. Read the words "absolutely gorgeous" and "high end beautiful."
BTW there are VMPS bashing sites all over the web. Knock yourself out.
Brian,I wonder how Marty de Wulf would describe these $2500 turkeys you sent me and then refused to refund my money?
Andy
You ordered a custom lacquer finish which was marred in shipping. You then decided to go with the RM 30 in a different finish. The dealer, John Casler, handled the entire transaction. I did not refuse to refund your money since you never paid me any.If you are unhappy in any way contact your dealer. My understanding was you were content in your choice.
B
Look closely at the pictures and notice the hundreds of fisheyes in the paint. These must have been there when they left your shop, so all the damage was not due to shipping. Hence, my reluctance to let you repaint them.You originally agreed to refund my money but then changed your mind and offered only credit after I sent them back. The only reason I purchased another pair of speakers was to sell them as factory sealed to minimize my losses.
I offered to paint a new pair with acrylic, a harder finish. You said no. Then I offered to issue John Casler a credit.Apparently you never got to hear either the RM 2 or RM 30.
or learn to use a spell/grammar checker.
No problem. The difficulties we have encountered over the years can be traced to two factors, IMHO:
1. we push the technology envelope hard. It often takes time for the MTBF curve to settle.
2. In the olden days I cared little about cosmetics--solid and decent was all I wanted. Then we won CES, my company was profiled on ABC News, all hell broke loose. We didn't get really good cabinets for 18 months after the win, and our panel required major rebuild for reliable operation. Plus I was pining for Constant Directivity which made me one-track minded.Just received my patent-app-as-filed in the mail. It was a proud moment. I hope this body of work will be my legacy to the audio community--did I mention the application is universal?
Something to do with Constant Directivity. Brian has so far started 2 threads detailing what he wanted to do and what didn't work, and promises to post more Monday or Tuesday on what did work, with pictures.
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but that's an old story, it's certainly not news here.
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I don't know who they think they are trying to impress.
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Nope!
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