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In Reply to: Speaker Asylum, post by brmara posted by Roy Johnson on June 01, 2003 at 18:12:33:
These all sound like great products. We should feel very lucky to have such options and affordable ones at that.
I haven't heard the Europa but have no reason to think that it is noy a very good speaker. The Carolina's have brought a level of music to my house that I didn't think possible ... they fit my needs taste and price range. For others I'm sure the Europa's may do the same.I think that we can speculate, pontificate, spew measurements facts and fables online here but we can't do the most important thing which is to listen. It is great to learn about different drivers, crossovers, cabinets, transmission lines, marble reflexes etc...but without sitting down and hearing them I don't think that it means much.
It shows me that these this vs that posts are really doing a disservice, to the point of having one manufacturer say that his topology is superior. I would love to have you hear the drivers in the JTM cabinets show me the zing at 1K..... go ahead and tell me they are inefficient on my little EL84 amp and tell me there not playing loud ! Numbers on paper....come on over and give them a good listen. oh, man here I go... maybe I'm no better. I just think that knocking a key compenent of a fellow manufacturer's speaker that you have never heard is a tad uncouth.
If you want to compare speakers then you have to do it at home or when you can in a shop and then have the abilty to trust you own ears.
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Brand loyalty and methodical preferences are remarkable. We see it all the time here whether it be the planar, horn, full-range, monitor, B*se, or numerous other camps. I enjoy it because it shows vitality in the audio industry. Everyone is interested in pushing the envelope. It's really impossible to say that any one product is good for all situations and everybody all of the time. Paper physics aside, not everyone experiences the exact same sensations when sound pressure is transmitted to the brain.I have fed the JTM's 6 watts of SET, 18 watts of PP, and 220 watts of SS which to me proved a flexibility in powering options. I have used various combinations of gold, silver, and copper IC's and speaker wire to find what works best for me. I spent weeks on placement. I never did perceive a "zing" and if paper physics proved it conclusively to me, I will write it off as a small compromise for everything else that this speaker does well. Part of the buying experience is weighing the trade-offs to determine value.
I congratulate both Jordan and Carolina Audio for thinking outside the same old box. I am pleased to have invested in this technology. And I find it hard to believe that Ronnie would not return a call or email even if it was an obvious attempt to unfairly criticize his product or waste his time.
I agree, we are lucky to have a choice in speakers. However, many make the wrong choice. Many are swayed by ads, hype or demo's in hi-fi shops. Listening with your ears is not always the ultimate answer either as many hi-fi shops purposely wire the competition out of phase or adjust the volume so that the competitor plays softer. The human ear will ALWAYS chose the louder speaker as the "best" What you need to do, is to listen to the speaker in YOUR room, on YOUR system. Even then you need to be keenly aware of components that are not up to par. Keep in mind putting a better speaker on a system with a crappy pre-amp will only serve to more clearly reveal that pre-amps faults. And so it goes with the amp, turntable, tone arm, phono cartridge, cd player etc. You won't see that as the case though. After all, you only changed the SPEAKERS. Right? So.......it has to be the new speakers that suck. Maybe........maybe NOT. If building a great audio system were easy, you wouldn't need great salespeople, and great manufacturers, like Roy Johnson at Green Mountain to help guide you thru(and hopefully avoid) costly mistakes.
I avoid criticizing a product that I haven't auditioned myself. Please keep in mind that Carolina Audio (CA) never uses paid advertisements and sells itself only on the word of satisfied customers. His products are not sitting in showrooms across America. He has a generous in-home trial period and no-hassel return policy. Around thirty years of experience building and modifying speakers. Many happy customers who have become personal friends and value his experience and willingness to freely impart this information. Since it is a one-man operation, CA doesn't have to support a sales staff and administrative bureaucracy. This keeps costs down. Quality control issues are avoided in an operation this small. Case in point: the Conus Essence speaker is very similar to the JTM in design yet costs more than double the JTM.Feel free to audition the product and offer any criticism you like. But those of us who own the products and know manufacturer personally are not going to stand down to rediculous personal attacks.
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