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Model: | DM 604 S2 |
Category: | Speakers |
Suggested Retail Price: | $1600 |
Description: | 4-driver, 3-way, reflex port floor standing loudspeaker |
Manufacturer URL: | B&W |
Review by Bombaywalla (A) on May 28, 2003 at 10:26:19 IP Address: 63.166.216.16 | Add Your Review for the DM 604 S2 |
This review is for the B&W DM604S2 speakers. I bought them brand new & have owned them since May 2000. In a nutshell, to me, these are really nice speakers. I play jazz, blues, classical & classic rock music thru them. Compared to some other speakers that I have heard (Martin-Logan, Newform Research, Excel Array, Piega) these B&Ws are on the dark side of neutral. I have played music thru them on a completely solid-state system i.e. solid-state CDP, pre & power as well as w/ my present system which has a tube preamp. I have concluded that these B&Ws mate better to tube equipment than solid-state. I prefer the sweeter tube sound thru them – it seems that the rather forward Nautilus tweeter is tamed somewhat with some tubes in the signal chain be it just the pre or power or both. Although the frequency response is (only) to 44Hz, I find the bass adequate. Data from the manuf. shows that the –6dB point is at 34Hz. So, I’d say bass down to 40Hz is easily possible tho I have not measured it myself. Data from the manuf. also seems to indicate that one of the bass drivers directly below the Kevlar mid is designed to take over the mid so that there is a seamless transfer while the lower bass driver is totally dedicated to sub-bass duties. I like bass slam (& there is plenty!) & I find that my needs are mostly satisfied here – my room will not support bass lower than 40Hz in any case. I do notice that these speakers sound best when the volume is turned up - I feel the speakers "light" up. This could be a bad thing in that I could be losing details at low volume listening. The specification sheet says the efficiency is 90dB SPL but it doesn't *appear* to be true in my system. I think that this “complaint” is consistent with every other B&W speaker review I have read.The Nautilus tweeter is fantastic, in my opinion – very revealing. I really like the vocals thru it (eg. Patricia Barber, Ella Fritzgerald, Maria Callas, Patsy Cline). The speakers respond well to blues (Stevie Ray Vaughan, Albert King) very well - plenty of bass & great midrange. Another thing I noticed with these speakers is that they perform their best when they are as free standing as possible. They do not need an bass reinforcement from the side &/or rear walls.
Initially I had the speakers sitting on the carpet & the bass was really muddy. Using brass cones to elevate them really helped to tighten the bass & also raised the tweeter level 1-1.5 inches making it more suitable w.r.t. my listening position.
I really like the biwire option. Though there is much debate on biwiring benefits, I saw an improvement in my system. I was using mid-line Monster speaker cable, which I swapped out for a TARA Labs Prism single run biwire for a marked inmprovement. I could have benefited from both brand change & single to biwire change. A further improvement was perceived by me when I upgraded the TARA Prism to a Master Gen 2. Now I have the Master Gen 2 feeding the high frequency while the TARA Prism feeds the low frequency (until I can find another 6-ft Master Gen 2 speaker cable!). The immediate improvement has been in the high frequency clarity, extension & more life-like images. I played some music thru the Master Gen 2 driving the high freq. & then switched back to my earlier setting to TARA Prism driving the high freq. Boy, what a difference. The Prism sounded like Hell! Everything was muted, rolled off & the sound spectrum seemed shifted downwards. Until I replaced the TARA Prism with the Master Gen 2 I was in an (ignorant ) bliss!
One other “cosmetic” complaint: that these were available only in black ash thus had (& still has!) a low WAF.
Associated gear
Harmon-Kardon CDP
CAT SL1 Mk 3Preamp
Symphonic Line RG4 Mk 3 mono block power amps
Similar products
CDM7SE, CDM9NT,DM605S2, Martin-Logan(various models), N804, Boston Acoustics (model?), Newform Research R645, Piega C3 Limited & C10 Limited, Excel Array (Rick Craig’s design).
Product Weakness: | Tweeter can bare the truth too much, requires lots of clean power amplification, loss of details at low level listening, cabinet not damped enough hence bass can be boomy, comes only in Black Ash. |
Product Strengths: | Revealing tweeter, excellent high freq. extension, life-like midrange, plenty of bass slam, biwireable, suited to a wide variety of music. |
Associated Equipment for this Review: | |
Amplifier: | see review |
Preamplifier (or None if Integrated): | see review |
Sources (CDP/Turntable): | see review |
Speakers: | see review |
Cables/Interconnects: | see review |
Music Used (Genre/Selections): | see review |
Room Comments/Treatments: | see review |
Time Period/Length of Audition: | see review |
Other (Power Conditioner etc.): | see review |
Type of Audition/Review: | Product Owner |
Follow Ups:
Hi Bombaywalla,All and all a good review. I believe you listed most of the positive and negative points. The one negative point I pointed out to you at your house, about the boxy sound, which I said could probably be helped by Blackhole 5, was written about below in one of the posts.
Everyone hears things differently. Some people have hearing deficiencies at certain frequencies and might need a brighter tweeter to augment these areas. To them, the sound is just perfect. I'm not saying that you have a hearing deficiency. Some people like boomy bass where others like night tight bass. Put the people who like a boomy bass in a well controlled room and they will hate it. I have also heard some other line of speakers in two different rooms and one was on the bright side and one wasn't. I've heard people complain about the Newform ribbons as being on the bright side and some saying it's a little laid back. In my experience with the CDMNT and Nautilus line, I had listener fatigue after a few hours. It was definitely due to the tweeter, which caused me severe headaches after that short period of time. Others can listen to them and say they have no problem at all.
So basically, you have to be happy with what you have and not worry about what other people say.
Have a great day,
Brad
Hi Brad V,Thanks for your comments. Appreciate the feedback.
Yes, I'll agree that hearing is quite subjective & I might even add age dependent. Listener fatigue seems to grow as a human being matures - just the way it is, I think!
It seems that the central issue here is that people in this forum will not accept that a speaker of this calibre *can* sound good if care is taken to set it up correctly & if it is fed w/ clean power amplification. This seems to be an utterly myopic view IMO. I don't see anywhere in my review where I claimed that this speaker was the be-all & end-all of speakers nor did I write that it was the best-in-class. I just said that it sounds very good in my system. Lots of people are having a severe problem accepting this. I seem to *infer* from this criticism that these people must have spent a lot of money on their speakers thinking that more expensive speakers necessarily give better sound. I think all of us know that this is not always true. Now here comes somebody saying that a "beer-budget" speaker sounds very good! This seems very hard for them to accept.
I also infer from all this criticism that these people are telling me that this speaker does not or cannot sound good! I mean what is this....
I'm saying that it sounds very good in my system - that's the way I hear it & that's what I have written in my review. Sure there are better speakers out there that will trump this one & will overcome the 604S2's shortcomings. I never denied that! This speakers does many, many things correctly to reproduce music very well. That's what I have said.If you, for example, told me that the Excel Arrays sounded very good in your system, should I clober you for that & insist they don't?? I accept your point that the Excel Arrays sound very good in your system. I might not prefer the high freq. roll-off but that has nothing to do w/ you or your system or your hearing or your taste in music. It's just my preference. Period. If you are happy w/ your speakers, my preference about YOUR speakers doesn't matter!
Man, I'm very disappointed by the view points of these people! It seems that there cannot be any new ideas or any new learning on this site.
I'm sure that I've opened myself to more broad-side attacks! Many here will not disappoint.
I'm a little surprised at the hair splitting by some others, I guess it was well written enough to ruffle some feathers?Anyway, I read your review the way it was intended, and I assume many others will also. I auditioned the S3's, but they weren't to my liking - but I understand why someone would appreciate their qualities. I strongly agree that anyone shopping for speakers in this price range (or even 2x this price range) owes it to themselves to check out these speakers...
Thank you!
I'm sure glad that you took this review in the right context!
it's speakers sound nice and design for Home Theater system. not 2 channel audio. of course not Similar to N804 and Martin-Logan.....
FWIW, I though this was a pretty good review. I own a pair of 602s2's and I thought the review pretty well described the characteristics of these speakers. No, these are not the Nautilus, and the reviewer acknowledged that. However, these are pretty damn good speakers for the money- good enough to discern differences in cabling, recordings, and other components. And, good enough to warrant spending a few bucks on some quality amplification. Here's where B&W cut corners on the 600 series: Cabinetry and cosmetics. The boxes are cheap. The drivers and crossover are decent. They had to cut cost somewhere. Good Review.
Cooper,Thanks for the corroborative post!
I concur that this speaker allows one to hear the upstream components & cabling. You are right again that B&W skimps on cabinetry & cosmetics in this line tho' it seems that the S3 models look much better than the S2 models in that wood finish. I understand from the "What Hi-Fi" review that the sound is improved as well. I have not heard the S3 model myself tho' so I'm going by what I read.
Oz K,It might be true that DM604S2 were designed w/ HT in mind but that doesn't mean that they cannot sound good in 2-ch setup! So, no, this is not a joke!!! In *my* system these speakers sound very good. I've had many people come over & listen & they have said the same thing - they sound very good!
I'm *not* saying that it is the best speaker & that it is the last word in neutrality or resolution. It is not! I know that so I will not be foolish to say such a thing.
However, I have very good electronics & lots of *clean* power amplification. This must be making a difference in my setup.
It is possible that you do not like the B&W sound. That's fine! Doesn't mean that the sound is bad.
The electronics in this system are no slouch by any means. This is the ONLY system I have ever heard in which I could deal with the sound of the B&W 600 series speakers.My only comment is that with all that wonderful hardware, and the analog playback system, and the nice cable, the speakers are way outclassed. I can only imagine how great that system would sound with higher caliber speakers.
And one more thing. I agree about the CDM series. I hated them too, and I listened to them in my own system. . .
Bombaywalla,My friend have B&W 604S2. he like them too.
But i not talking on the sound. i mean that 604 not similar to Nautilus and Martin Logan in nothing. it's like say that B&W 604 similar to Audio Note Kondo... ;-)
I have owned the 601's, 602's, 603's, (S2 - S3) CDM's, Nautilus's.I love the sound of B&W. Your review comes across as some high end Audiophile Speaker. Yes they are good, but not compared to the Nautilus or Logans. There is no similarity, is my point.
Reading the review, one would think they were learning about a high end Audiophile product. I think you did a good job on the review but over did it a bit. Well quite a bit.Were talking 604's a good home theatre speaker with limited two channel capabilities.
Let me cut to the chase.
You said similar products:
CDM7SE, CDM9NT, Martin-Logan(various models), N804
Not even in the same clase as CDM9's let alone Martin-Logan, but come on - "N804's"
I have done a A&B with the 604's S3's a step up from yours comparing to the CDM9's, it was a night and day difference. The clarity, Sound Stage, Depth, Imaging.... What the heck A&B the CDM's with the Nautilus - Result, scrap both and went with the 802's.
You talk of the Nautilus tweeter. It is not the Nautilus tweeter that you have but some of the technology of Nautilus incorparated into the 604's. Big difference.
You have a good speaker, but were comparing BMW with Ford here, Mercadeas with Honda, when you talk of these other speakers.
Go listen again side by side and here the difference that Martin Logan makes, or the N804's.
If they are similar in sound, we sure are getting ripped off in the price catagory.
You like the bi-wire option. It's not an option but standard and recommended and does make a difference. Any time you separate you clear up the sound. Same theory with Amp and Pre-Amp.
Sorry for the rant.............but lets not give anyone the false impression that were talking about N804's or Logan Speakers, Might as well throw in Wilson Audio as similar..........
Omega14:6yes, the 604S2 has limited 2-ch capability. I think I cited more negative points on this speaker than positive. However, this does not mean that it's sound is bad by any means.
Let me tell you - I heard the CDM7SE & the CDM9NT over a long period. I heard the CDM9NT atleast twice since the store was 1 mile down the street from me. BOTH SPEAKERS SUCKED!! And they sucked wind BIG TIME! Maybe it was the fault of the dealer i.e. he didn't break them in long enough. The break-in question was the 1st I asked him & he re-assured me that they were broken in. Either he was lieing or he didn't know his stuff. The pair of CDM9NT that I heard was one of the worst B&W speakers I heard. I tried very hard to like them but couldn't. So, I'll stand by my written text.
The N804 is a much better speaker, I agree. I simply listed the speakers I heard. I THINK you inferred that I chose the 604S2 over the N804 because of the 604S2 sound superiority. NO! Wrong guess by you! I chose the DM604S2 because of my budget constraint. If I had the money then I would have bought the N804. I fell in love w/ it the moment the 1st note emanted from it. But, it was too much for my wallet! Right about the time I was audtioning these speakers, B&W was changing the CDM line - removing the SE series & replacing them w/ the NT series. I waited for that to happen & then went to hear the CDM9NT. I prefered the 604S2 over the 9NT.
I also heard the Martin-Logans several times. I didn't note the model names (& I should have!). I heard them at 2 diff. stores. I HATED THEM! They sounded disconnected to me. The electrostatic panel was really fantastic - midrange was hauntingly real & it was fast. However, the bass unit was totally disconnected from the panel sound-wise! The transition from panel to woofer & back was one of the worst that I have heard. These M-L speakers were the ones I could afford - in the $1995/pair price range - it was the narrowest panel. I tried the next wider panel - same disconnection. The ONLY M-L that blew my socks off was "The Statement". This speaker was demo'd to me by Gayle Martin Sanders himself. He brought a bunch of his people to set it up @ the store. This was when the speaker was 1st launched. Many things must have worked in favour of an excellent review - somebody very knowledgable set it up, top line Krell electronics, room treatments & most importantly, this speaker seemed to be designed correctly in that the xover problem of panel <---> woofer was solved. Dynamite sound! Dynamite price too!
Yes, you are accurate in saying that the 604S2 has the Nautilus technology & not the N. tweeter itself. Same w/ the biwire - it is standard, yes. My oversight. Objections sustained!
Recently, I've had the opportunity to listen to some custom built speakers that use SEAS Excel drivers, to Piega C3 Limited & C10 Limited. In all 3 cases I prefer my 604S2. The 3 speakers I mention all have ribbon tweeters. I'm not a big fan of ribbon tweeters - too laid back for me + too much high freq. roll-off. I prefer the immediate sound of my 604S2 - it tends to involve me in the music much more.
I'm also quite sure that the electronics driving the 604S2 makes a lot of diff. I have very good electronics & lots of clean power amplification. This is helping my case. I know this 'cuz I used to drive the speakers w/ my Harmon-Kardon integrated & it sounded nowhere near as good as it does now w/ my mono blocks. I also forgot to write in my review that my room is treated w/ ASC tube traps. These traps have done wonders to improve the overall sound - mostly removed the mid-bass boom I had. My friend & I measured my room using his TacT unit & after we compensated for the microphone characteristic, my room has a flat freq. response from 1K to 20K. Vocals are hauntingly real. If you live in north-central N.C., I invite you to come over & listen for yourself. Email me off-line if you are interested.
I stand by my review. If there is a way I will make changes to the 2 points you correctly made.
"Let me tell you - I heard the CDM7SE & the CDM9NT over a long period. I heard the CDM9NT atleast twice since the store was 1 mile down the street from me. BOTH SPEAKERS SUCKED!! And they sucked wind BIG TIME!"This one statement alone discredits everything you have said or may say again about audio! I realize that sound is very subjective and opinions will vary. Having said that, if you like the sound of the 604s and think that the 9NT "sucked wind BIG TIME" you obviously don't know what you are talking about.
Mit07,Could you explain why you made the very last statement in your above post???
I stand by my words wherein I said that the CDM9NT sucked big-time IN THE SETUP I AUDITIONED THEM. I did not say this explicity but I assumed that it was obvious that the context was the audition at that time.
If I hear them today, after the speaker has been broken-in, after the speakers are correctly set-up, I might change my mind should the CDM9NT sound better than what I remember. They might sound better than the 604S2? I wrote about what I heard when I was ready to make my speaker purchase & when I was auditioning speakers to that end.
Perhaps, like some pro reviewers, it would have been nice to see the negatives with this particular speaker... But he didn't claim them to be as good, or better, than the "similar products" he listed; in fact, the "similar products" were merely listed and didn't figure into the review at all.I've heard various incarnations of the 600 series 2 and 3 speakers over the years, and his review did indeed describe the sound of the 604's as I remember them. Lots of bass, they need room around them, and the mids/vocals are quite good. Negatives of the 600 series that I've found is muddiness of detail (box resonance?), boxy sound, soundstaging is ok, and much more congested sounding than the higher products. But just because they're not expensive doesn't mean they're not good, and they may very well be just what most people need, if you're not chasing that last bit of hifi sound. They do indeed make music.
In fact, I think the largest error of this review, and almost ALL reviews on AA is no one points out the negatives. No speaker/component is perfect. The question is, are you a good enough reviewer to note the negatives? Most people who part with their own money are not. But that's not a fault of this review only. Give him a break.
If the reviewer stated he has listened to the other speakers, identified the context and systems in which he listened to them, and stated his impressions vs the B&Ws, it wouldn't have cause disagreements from other posters.To say other speakers are similar is quite a stretch.
Also, to say a pair of speakers is good enough to tell the differences among cables, etc... simply means it's barely better than the worst junks out there: IMO It's quite an easy feat for a speaker to reflect change in cabling and upstream components.
Another point, I'm just curious, I believe there is only one ExcelArray in existence (owned by BradV, designed by Rick Craig). What's the context in which you listened to the ExcelArray vs the B&W 604? Can you elaborate on how similar they sound?
> > > Another point, I'm just curious, I believe there is only one ExcelArray in existence (owned by BradV, designed by Rick Craig). What's the context in which you listened to the ExcelArray vs the B&W 604? Can you elaborate on how similar they sound?Actually, someone from Denver took delivery of a pair of Excelarray's a little over a month ago.
Also, Bombaywalla stated "Well, as it so happens, I auditioned all the speakers I listed at the time I was planning a speaker purchase & due to (mostly) budget reasons ended up buying the 604S2 speakers."
I must be confused on this point, as he didn't audition the Newforms or Excelarray before he had the 604S2's. These were all listened to after he had his speakers.
Have a great day,
Brad V,2nd correction correctly pointed out! These 2 speakers were "auditioned" after my purchase.
That "similar products" category has landed me in some heat! Maybe I should have written "other products auditioned" & "post purchase auditions"!
I'll remember that for the next time.
You cannot say that something is similar to something which is superior and it is ok.It is wrong to make an assumption which is incorrect.
They are not similar in anyway to the Nautilus line or Martin Logans.
If we are going to do reviews, lets do them properly so future readers are not thinking: Hey I can save $4000 and get a pair of 604's instead of the N804's, after all they are similar.
Or lets scrap the review section and start a new one,
Subjective tests, In my opinion, Ignorant reviews welcome here.....Lets be objective when we review and honest. And quit trying to justify what we buy as perfect becuase in reality that is all we could afford and if we could afford more like I am sure if this poster could have, he would have bought the Nautilus series or Martim Logans and then his review would have probally stated "Far superior to the 604's. Cleaner more Open"............and so on.
But often we justify something that really is not because we try to convice our selves that more money will not necessarily get a better product which in the audio world is often not true.
As you spend you get better, and yes I believe there is a point of diminishing returns.
Omega14:6,You seem to have a bad attitude & a problem with comprehension!!
I never said that these speakers were similar to M-L or the N804. I listed all the speakers I auditioned in the "similar products" list because that is the template provided by AA. Later in my posts I clarified that I prefered the sound of the 604S2 to most other speakers (CDM9NT & all the M-L I auditioned in my price range). I still that & stick by my words. The N804 was clearly superior to the 604S2 - I admitted that too in one of later posts. Yes, budget contraints didn't allow me to buy the N804 but I feel that IN MY SYSTEM, I have a lot of good qualities of sound from the 604S2. The increase in openness, transparency, etc, etc that I would have gotten from the N804 but don't have from the 604S2 does not detract from the music IN MY SYSTEM.
I dislike the M-L systems I auditioned in my price range. They suck big time & to me they are inferior to the N804 & 604S2. They will always be so in my books! Yes, the M-L have much better mids & highs but as an overall sound delivery system they just don't cut it in my books. Your ranting up & down that they are superior OVERALL to the 604S2 sound will NOT make them superior in my books!
You like M-L speakers - so be it. You are allowed to like them & I'm allowed to dislike them. We agree to disagree. That's fine! I can handle that. You seem to indicate that every speaker costing more than the 604S2 must sound better than the 604S2. I disagree! You might disagree with me. Fine! Again, we to agree to disagree.
The point of the review is to showcase the sound of the speakers in my system the way I hear it. This is the underline thesis of ANY review - pro or private user. It is ALWAYS subjective & always has been.
I stick by my review. It + the later clarification posts are accurate. Just take a chill pill & stop harassing people!
But one thing. I do not have a problem with comprehension. "Similar products" as you put it, is very clear.
Hoxuanduc,Gosh you guys are literally splitting hairs length-wise!
When anyone writes a review on Audioasylum, the Audioasylum site provides a generic template. One of the headings in this generic template is "similar products". Now, what is one supposed to write in here? Only products that are in the same price, build quality, sound quality as the actual speakers I bought? Well, as it so happens, I auditioned all the speakers I listed at the time I was planning a speaker purchase & due to (mostly) budget reasons ended up buying the 604S2 speakers. I did not write the review in the context of these other speakers; the review was solely for the 604S2.
The statement about the speaker showing the effects of cabling & upstream components was made to shed some light on the accuracy & neutrality qualities of the speaker. Of course, within the context of its price range. What was implied was that, if driven with some upper mid-end or low hi-end electronics, the speaker could tell the listener whether or not changing CDPs, cables or pre was enhancing or degrading the overall sound quality.
You are mostly correct! There is another gentleman in Denver, CO, who has taken delivery of a pair. Could it be you, by any chance? The Excel Array has been heard in Brad V's system w/ his components & the 604S2 in my system w/ my components. So, you are right, the comparison is not totally fair. There was some similarity-Brad V's ss amps were the Odyssey Stratos amps, which have the same lineage as my Symphonic Line amps.
The Excel Array is based on the NFR ribbon while the 604S2 is based on a metal dome tweeter. Other drivers are also different. So, the 2 speaker sounds belong to 2 different categories. In my previous post where I mentioned this, I was implying that the metal dome tweeter sound was more appealing to me for the reasons stated therein.
Hope that this clarifies things.
Yes, I guess I'm bored at work. No music to listen to, so we nit pick at fellow audiophiles / music lovers.
You might want to address your last questions to the original poster, as I can't answer them :)He never compared the 604S2 to the other speakers. He merely mentioned them as "similar products used." They are similar in that they are all loudspeakers. Without any other text surrounding them, that is all you can infer from his statement. English 101 teaches that.
What would you call them, "other products used with drivers of cone or electrostat variety, similar in that they produce sound?" Maybe that wouldn't ruffle feathers.
But, as long as we're here...Bose, Cerwin Vega (sp?), KLH makes loudspeakers too. To call them similar to the B&Ws and other listed above because they are also loudspeakers in the context of this forum is quite a stretch, wouldn't you say?
It's a minor point any way. The main thing is he enjoyed the speakers. That's the ONLY thing that matters.
Ducati,Thank you! Thank you! You have hit the nail on the head! I appreciate this in your post. I just replied to Omega14:6 & said EXACTLY what you said re. the "Similar Products". Exactly as you said the 'similar products" were products listened to at the time of speaker selection & really did *not* feature in this review.
I have cited the negatives of this speaker in the "product weakness" section but I didn't put any text around those negatives. So, I'm not totally in error for not citing the negatives.
I'll agree that 1 more negative I should have put down is that sometimes the sound gets "boxy". Again, this is specific to the music & it seems to be most prevalent, in my case, with Classical music. I don't listen much to classical in any case hence this minus point escaped my attention.
I noticed reading British review magazines, they review products via panel, via BLIND listening tests to eliminate predjudices and snobbery. Note that Stereophile/TAS would never do that.
I think if we all shopped like that two things would happen.
1. We'd save money
2. A number of overpriced high-enders would bite the dust.
Note that Stereophile/TAS would never do that.Harry would never have favored the Alon Grand Exoticas had they been hidden behind a screen!
Bwahahahaha! My guess is that you have never heard the Alons.
BTW, I have heard that system many times. Your sense of what an audio system can do gets instantly recalibrated. Comments you have made concerning the alleged snobbery of TAS lack any substance. Why is it then that HP loves the ASL Hurricanes that cost but a fraction of other great amps in his experience such as $21k Joule Electras, $30k VTL Wotans, $30k Edge Signatures, etc? The answer is obvious to those who know him or have followed the magazine for the past thirty years. Don't you have some ASL amps?
Check this out...
http://www.audioperfectionist.com/pages/watchdog1.html
AR LSTs rule, man!
Your point is blind testing using the same short music segment is the only valid technique of selecting equipment?That technique is as valid as choosing a future wife based on 30-second glances of women in a line-up.
I never mentioned a time constraint. You are injecting something here. I know the blind listening strikes fear into the hearts of "audiophiles" because it would force them to separate fact from placebo, and hype from reality.
But then again,it's absurd that someone would require MONTHS to evaluate a product. This is just self-justification for long-term use of free toys. Especially when breakin is measured in HOURS.Another form of snobbery:
When you really want to slam someone's taste in speakers, make sure you refer to them as "Designed for HT."
That in it's own right is one of the deepest slams I have seen without directly calling something "Mass midfi dreck."
well you ARE getting ripped off for the biwiring :) do a blind test to prove that to yourself. im sure your cables cost too much too.
foof,No! my cables do not cost much too much!! They used to when they were brand new but I bought them used!
I've done the test & convinced myself that biwiring DOES make a diff. in my setup. There is also a very good electrical reason for biwiring. Jon Risch has addressed this topic in gross details in this asylum. Do a search!
Went from Kimber to NBS and can honestly say I heard a differnce. Warmer deeper sound is the way I describe it.I went from straight wire to balanced on my CD with NBS Cable and have to admit that I did not here much of a difference.
I try JMR cable, kimber, Audio Note and VDH... Audio Note is the best for me.
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