Shady Lane

Posted by grsteve (A) on May 11, 2006 at 16:33:53

A few months back I purchased a Vacuum State modded Sony 9000ES SACD player from Gander2 (Gary Anderson), a seller on Audiogon with perfect feedback. When I received the player it would not play the SACD layers of over 50% of the disks I fed it. At first the seller refused to take responsibility for the defect saying it was a known Sony issue and the player was functioning normally. After much protesting on my part, he then insisted I take steps to have it repaired before he would consider a return. After multiple attempts, all with his consent, the player continued to malfunction. His response then was to claim that "now that I have obviously tampered with it, he couldn't possibly take it back."

Following this incident I have left negative feedback for Gander2 and also opened a dispute. The feedback was never posted and the dispute (following a response and a rebuttal where I caught him in several lies backed up by saved emails) was summarrily canceled with no explanation.

Just today, I left another negative feedback covering the same incident (in violation of their policy) in order to see if I would get any response.

• Re: Audiogon Protecting Unscrupulous Sellers? - yorambu 20:03:08 07/25/06 (0)
  In Reply to: Audiogon Protecting Unscrupulous Sellers? posted by grsteve on May 11, 2006 at 16:33:53:

  I had similar, very frustrating experience with audiogon's dispute resolution process and feedback system -- about six months ago.

  The dispute resolution process proceeded quite differently from the way it's described on audiogon's website. A final resolution, which took the seller's side, was made without even letting me see the seller's reply to my dispute, let alone respond to it.

  I too tried to post negative feedback which was ignored by audiogon. I asked to correct this twice but received no reply. I believe that audiogon is protecting some sellers deliberately by ignoring negative feedback.
  
  

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• I don't bother leaving or asking for feedback there anymore. - The Killer Piglet 17:44:38 07/01/06 (0)
  In Reply to: Audiogon Protecting Unscrupulous Sellers? posted by grsteve on May 11, 2006 at 16:33:53:

  The current system is useless.

  KP
  
  

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• Re: Audiogon Protecting Unscrupulous Sellers? - jimmycj 08:55:17 06/06/06 (0)
  In Reply to: Audiogon Protecting Unscrupulous Sellers? posted by grsteve on May 11, 2006 at 16:33:53:

  I gave a neg awhile,did it get posted? F no,but really i could care less ,why because i sure as hell wouldnt buy anything from this guy again,he cant pack equipment correctly in the first place.I got lucky with fedex because they paid the claim.
  
  

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• file a complaint with www.ic3.gov & better business breau - clubmyke 18:44:33 05/17/06 (10)
  In Reply to: Audiogon Protecting Unscrupulous Sellers? posted by grsteve on May 11, 2006 at 16:33:53:

  here are the links... this should send a message across..

  http://www.easternmichiganbbb.org/reports.html

  and

  www.ic3.gov
  
  

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  • DIPLOMATIC OFFICE - deeblack1993@yahoo.com 10:14:36 12/28/07 (0)
    In Reply to: file a complaint with www.ic3.gov & better business breau posted by clubmyke on May 17, 2006 at 18:44:33

    Dear Madam
    How are you? We want to get that your clearance receipt for your
    parcel ATM CARD loaded of 2.5million usd.
    Upon confirmation of your CR we will release your ATM CARD else we
    confiscate it here in Spain.
    Regards
    Mrs Jeniffer A.
    Spain controller
    
    

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  • DIPLOMATIC OFFICE - deeblack1993@yahoo.com 10:13:44 12/28/07 (0)
    In Reply to: file a complaint with www.ic3.gov & better business breau posted by clubmyke on May 17, 2006 at 18:44:33

    Please remeber that we are monitoring troops based in Europe and only control parcels here. All i know is that a certain parcel was on such name. from Cotonou But unfortunately it was intercepted and found inside it ATM CARD loaded of 2.5million usd.
    
    So we need a clearance papers from the bank that issued it before we can leave it go to USA.
    
    The tracking number is no our business.
    
    Mrs Jeniffer
    
    

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  • DIPLOMATIC OFFICE - deeblack1993@yahoo.com 10:11:53 12/28/07 (0)
    In Reply to: file a complaint with www.ic3.gov & better business breau posted by clubmyke on May 17, 2006 at 18:44:33

    Good, i would like to have the contact of the FBI now. You are trafiking 2.5million usd from Africa to USA via ATM CARD. I am now ready and interested in this case. I filing a suit to the high court, you must come to spain here and proof how you got this big loaded 2.5million usd ATM CARD. You are a money laundarer with you African partners.
    
    I will seize this ATM CARD and take to the government office until you proof it and get the clearance papers from the bank that issued the ATM CARD toyou from africa.
    
    Let me have your direct address now and that of the FBI now.
    
    

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  • Re: file a complaint with www.ic3.gov & better business breau - Sanford Van Luven 12:37:25 01/02/07 (1)
    In Reply to: file a complaint with www.ic3.gov & better business breau posted by clubmyke on May 17, 2006 at 18:44:33:

    I purchased a 2005 Polaris Sportsman 800 ATV from Ira Berman in Wheeling Illinois (iberman33@aol.com) through eBay on Dec.21 2006. I was instructed through e-mail with him that he was running all the sale through eBay and I was sent confirmation from eBay that I was approved to buy this item. I was e-mailed that I was to send by Western Union the purchase price of the ATV to the Vehicle Purchase Program Agent, a Marcus Vadar 1111 Brickell Ave Miami, Fl. at fax# (831)677-4379 which is also the fax # for the Trust and Safety Department eBay Inc. according to all my paper work. He was to notify DAS Transport Services after he recieved verification that the money was recieved by the Vehicle Purchase Program Agent, Mr Vadar, but as of today he has not done so and has stopped all correspondence through his e-mail address with me as of Dec 22 2006. I contacted Western Union and they told me the money was picked up but refused to tell me who signed for it without a subpeona. I contacted AOL and asked for information on his e-mail address and was told they could not release that info. either.
    I was told by eBay to report this to my local Police Dept which I have done and to report it to Internet Crime Complaint Center. I have to believe that AOL or eBay have some paper trail that can reveal info on him and his where abouts.
    
    

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    • Re: file a complaint with www.ic3.gov & better business breau - Irab 19:22:41 04/11/07 (0)
      In Reply to: Re: file a complaint with www.ic3.gov & better business breau posted by Sanford Van Luven on January 2, 2007 at 12:37:25:

      I have just been contacted by the Roselle police about this matter. I have no knowledge of this purchase and the email given is not mine. I am working with the police, ebay and aol to come to the bottom of this.
      Ira Berman
      
      

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  • Re: file a complaint with www.ic3.gov & better business breau - r.woods284@btinternet.com 04:02:10 11/20/06 (0)
    In Reply to: file a complaint with www.ic3.gov & better business breau posted by clubmyke on May 17, 2006 at 18:44:33:

    my name is janine i live in uk.on alandewalton@yahoo website he has put up this is my friend janines website,which it is not it is his own .without telling me he has put videos of strictly anti usa gov nature .iHe did not ask me permission to do this,I would not off allowed him permission to put these videos of his choice in my name.I have contacted my local police but so far have had no reply.My no is 01903 785130 in the uk.I now cannot recive incoming emails since thes videos have been aired.he also has lots of other site links under branton alan walton.he is with yahoo .i now feel my life is in danger.he is wrong to do this.
    this is to let you know this is not my website and i was so shocked and horrified to see what is going out world wide under my name.there are 4 videos with the last bieng the worse.I love america and i would not ever put out such videos, i am scared what else he will put out under my name
    
    

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  • Re: file a complaint with www.ic3.gov & better business breau - jasdpome@juno.com 04:39:10 10/02/06 (0)
    In Reply to: file a complaint with www.ic3.gov & better business breau posted by clubmyke on May 17, 2006 at 18:44:33:

    2149 Thurston Road
    Frederick, Maryland
    September 23, 2006

    
    Re: IDENTITY THEFT

    
    To whom it may concern:

    My 09/08/06 Citi credit card statement shows a charge by Juno, an Internet provider, for an account that was set up without my knowledge or consent and using my private information, including my Citi credit card number.

    This illegal account is and with Juno’s help and an Internet search, the person who set up this account lives in a residential area and his name is Charles Sell and his full address is: Charles and Velda Sell at 4216 Famoso Drive in North Las Vegas 89032-2618 with phone number: 702 631 6302.
    
    If you need more information please contact me at my above address or at my e-mail address . In any case I would appreciate your acknowledging receipt of my letter.

    I would also appreciate knowing what if any action you plan to take with the information I’ve given you.

    Thank you for your attention to this matter.

    James D Pomeroy
    
    

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  • All Seasons Tree Service Lincolnton N.C. 28092 - WattersonDavis1 00:49:45 06/02/06 (0)
    In Reply to: file a complaint with www.ic3.gov & better business breau posted by clubmyke on May 17, 2006 at 18:44:33:

    I use to be partner to Kevin Snipes(All Season's Tree Service,Lincoln County North Carolina).Today we parted way's because I am tired of being part of him cheating people,and doing terrible work,and me having to bear the reputation of bad work.He dose not care or take pride in his work,he destroies yard's,and kill's all the tree's he trim's.To all of the people he has done work for"I am sorry for any job's I performed while partner's with such an individual!!!!!!!!"
    He dose not know much about Tree Work,or much anything else for that matter.This is all true statement's to "my" best recolection.
    Jeffery Watterson
    
    
    

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  • The BBB has no legal authority to do anything - snert 05:13:25 05/19/06 (1)
    In Reply to: file a complaint with www.ic3.gov & better business breau posted by clubmyke on May 17, 2006 at 18:44:33:

    The BBB is a business that merely keeps a record of complaints about other businesses. They are not above lying to you to get you to sign up and give them money to become a member. All businesses will receive complaints no matter how hard they try to please. Some people cannot be made happy. I think the record regarding AG's behavoir is well documented here already.
    
    

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    • Even worse - Stale 11:12:01 06/07/06 (0)
      In Reply to: The BBB has no legal authority to do anything posted by snert on May 19, 2006 at 05:13:25:

      They keep records ONLY of stores which decide to be part of BBB.

      If you are not part of BBB than they have no records.

      IMHO, completely useless organization whose existence only mislead ordinary person to think that they have some control and authority over the stores.
      
      
      

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• Re: Audiogon Protecting Unscrupulous Sellers? "hello" is another one - clubmyke 18:40:13 05/17/06 (2)
  In Reply to: Audiogon Protecting Unscrupulous Sellers? posted by grsteve on May 11, 2006 at 16:33:53:

  had a situation with a seller who would not sell for no logical reason.. he took my personal information then backed out (brian kelly @ hello).

  this was very upsetting since audiogon "protects" him and wont allow posting of any negative feedback on him (i count my self lucky). there have been worse situations with with poor excuse of a seller (i think brian kelly may be female).

  
  
  

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  • Re: Audiogon Protecting Unscrupulous Sellers? "hello" is another one - Bill Lumbergh 21:05:31 06/28/06 (1)
    In Reply to: Re: Audiogon Protecting Unscrupulous Sellers? "hello" is another one posted by clubmyke on May 17, 2006 at 18:40:13:

    Do you have more details?
    I seem to remember someone posting a nasty classified ad attacking Hello! at agon. Was that you?
    I've bought multiple items from Hello!, and never had a problem.
    
    

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    • Re: Hello has 4000+ rating at Audiogon, what's yours? - Bill Lumbergh 21:11:03 06/28/06 (0)
      In Reply to: Re: Audiogon Protecting Unscrupulous Sellers? "hello" is another one posted by Bill Lumbergh on June 28, 2006 at 21:05:31:

      Just checked their feedback, and they have over 1600 transactions since 1999, with only one negative.
      I wonder who has the problem, you or them?
      
      

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• Re: Audiogon Protecting Unscrupulous Sellers? - TomLarson 12:52:07 05/15/06 (0)
  In Reply to: Audiogon Protecting Unscrupulous Sellers? posted by grsteve on May 11, 2006 at 16:33:53:

  Well, your negative feedback is there now. Let us know if you get some from the seller. This IS the bad part of feedback. Retaliation seems to be the name of the game. I don't know how else they could do it, though. Personally, I look for absolute positive feedback and lots of it before I buy anything over $100. I've never understood the audiogon dispute settlement process.
  
  

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• Absolutely disfunctional feedback system - Jay Buridan 07:26:24 05/13/06 (1)
  In Reply to: Audiogon Protecting Unscrupulous Sellers? posted by grsteve on May 11, 2006 at 16:33:53:

  I look for older feedback, from before A'gon instituted its current feedback policy.
  
  

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  • Good Idea - riffer 15:28:40 05/14/06 (0)
    In Reply to: Absolutely disfunctional feedback system posted by Jay Buridan on May 13, 2006 at 07:26:24:

    I am glad I put together my system before the new feedback system was introduced :(
    
    

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• Re: Audiogon Protecting Unscrupulous Sellers? - Roadmanager 13:48:41 05/12/06 (0)
  In Reply to: Audiogon Protecting Unscrupulous Sellers? posted by grsteve on May 11, 2006 at 16:33:53:

  Audiogon absolutly protects unscrupuous sellers. Let me give you my experience.
  I am going to give a very condensed version here.
  I bid on a Audio Research CD player. Seller claimed it was less than 3 months old. After putting in my first bid I immediatly received a email from the seller offering to sell it to me at my opening bid price ( I was the third bid). I emailed back suggesting that he go back and read the rules for auction at Audiogon.
  My bid was the highest and I received a email from the seller wanting a bank transfer. I emailed back asking for the serial number and date of purchase since the add said it was fairly new. Also, I suggested using a escrow account for which I would pay for any charges. First time I did this for a deal at Audiogon but, things weren't smelling right.
  I then got a email telling me that actually he had already sold it to the first bidder! I contacted the first bidder by email and suggested he also look at the rules at Audiogon but, also told him that it was ok with me. I also suggested he keep in touch and let me know if there were any gltiches in the deal and told him about my reservations.
  About a week later he emailed me letting me know that he had put money in Paypal but had never received the CD player. He contacted Paypal and got the original sellers account frozen.
  Next thing I got a new email from the original seller telling me that his deal had fallen through and would I like to buy the CD player.
  Both myself and the first "buyer" filed a greivance with Audiogon. Not a week went by before I see the same seller auctioning the same CD player on Audiogon. I immediatly contacted Audiogon, not only did they not stop the aucion, they now have me on some kind of watch list. It used to be when I posted the post would show up in a short time now whenever I make a posting sometimes days go by and sometimes it never shows up stating that the moderator didn't approve the post. And I am not any kind of flamethrower or pot stirrer.
  I did try to post warning about the seller and the impending auction and got a warning from Audiogon!!! I answered their warning with the question "Did they know that right at this minute there was a fraudulent auction going on?" And, of course, gave them all the details.
  When the auction ended I emailed the "winner" and suggested that he get the serial number of the unit from the seller before sending money just to make sure that it wasn't stolen or perhaps didn't even exist but, never heard back.
  
  

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• Re: Audiogon Protecting Unscrupulous Sellers? - Roadmanager 13:44:59 05/12/06 (1)
  In Reply to: Audiogon Protecting Unscrupulous Sellers? posted by grsteve on May 11, 2006 at 16:33:53:

  Audiogon absolutly protects unscrupuous sellers. Let me give you my experience.
  I am going to give a very condensed version here.
  I bid on a Audio Research CD player. Seller claimed it was less than 3 months old. After putting in the first bid I immediatly received a email from the seller offering to sell it to me at my opening bid price ( I was the third bid). I emailed back suggesting that he go back and read the rules for auction at Audiogon.
  My bid was the highest and I received a email from the seller wanting a bank transfer. I emailed back asking for the serial number and date of purchase since the add said it was fairly new. Also, I suggested using a escrow account for which I would pay for any charges. First time I did this for a deal at Audiogon but, things weren't smelling right.
  I then got a email telling me that actually he had already sold it to the first bidder! I contacted the first bidder by email and suggested he also look at the rules at Audiogon but, also told him that it was ok with me. I also suggested he keep in touch and let me know if there were any gltiches in the deal and told him about my reservations.
  About a week later he emailed me letting me know that he had put money in Paypal but had never received the CD player. He contacted Paypal and got the original sellers account frozen.
  Next thing I got a new email from the original seller telling me that his deal had fallen through and would I like to buy the CD player.
  Both myself and the first "buyer" filed a greivance with Audiogon. Not a week went by before I see the same seller auctioning the same CD player on Audiogon. I immediatly contacted Audiogon, not only did they not stop the aucion, they now have me on some kind of watch list. It used to be when I posted the post would show up in a short time now whenever I make a posting sometimes days go by and sometimes it never shows up stating that the moderator didn't approve the post. And I am not any kind of flamethrower or pot stirrer.
  I did try to post warning about the seller and the impending auction and got a warning from Audiogon!!! I answered their warning with the question "Did they know that right at this minute there was a fraudulent auction going on?" And, of course, gave them all the details.
  When the auction ended I emailed the "winner" and suggested that he get the serial number of the unit from the seller before sending money just to make sure that it wasn't stolen or perhaps didn't even exist but, never heard back.
  
  

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  • hello - allegra+online 21:39:20 10/24/06 (0)
    In Reply to: Re: Audiogon Protecting Unscrupulous Sellers? posted by Roadmanager on May 12, 2006 at 13:44:59:

    http://www.healhome.com/pharmacy/clonazepam.html
    
    

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• Both Parties have to approve the feedback - eargasm666@yahoo.com 11:46:53 05/12/06 (0)
  In Reply to: Audiogon Protecting Unscrupulous Sellers? posted by grsteve on May 11, 2006 at 16:33:53:

  I'm pretty sure the seller has to accept the feedback for it to be posted so if it's a negative then forget it.

  
  Gazzman
  
  

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• Re: Audiogon Protecting Unscrupulous Sellers? - Jimmy 03:32:51 05/12/06 (0)
  In Reply to: Audiogon Protecting Unscrupulous Sellers? posted by grsteve on May 11, 2006 at 16:33:53:

  Many will sell their honor & SOUL out there for $100 or even less.
  
  

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