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In Reply to: Did you fax him, call him or even read the note posted on his website? posted by John Chleapas on March 11, 2007 at 10:04:10:
Dude, I know I am not the sharpest tool in the shed, but I am not quite sure what your point is; that load of piss-weak excuses, shoddy rationalism, and harsh delivery is confusing me.
Hell, emails should be responded to; how obvious was this statement on the website and did it relate to email communication; why is the long wait acceptable; he is not in business to be fair - but should he not do business fairly / provide a service that meets common expectations; *is* it obvious to most that his delivery times are not great and therefore to be expected; is the current cr*p service usual or unususal - have people been advised in advance of ordering; if someone is dealing unfairly / offering poor service, should it not be discussed?...
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And your point was what? Please tell me what parts, kits, or assembled amps did you *yourself* actually order from him? If you have never bought anything from him then you have no first hand meaningful information to contribute to this thread, right? John
Interesting that most of your post related to personal opinion and did not comply with your own criteria for "first hand meaningful information". The information you included in your post that meets said criteria could be squeezed into a single sentence.By your criteria, or lack of adherence to such, you opened the wide for me enter the thread and offer some of my own opinion. That said, you hardly have any authority to tell me whether I can contribute or not...
The way you responded to the original poster's genuine question, politely asked, which did not make any accusations, really sh*t me. If it was apparent to me that you were using some smoke-and-mirrors to make some dubious, perhaps contradictory points (opinion), then sure, I can say so.
So, I may not got da' language down dude, but that don't mean I'm not able to contribute. Word.
"Interesting that most of your post related to personal opinion and did not comply with your own criteria for "first hand meaningful information". The information you included in your post that meets said criteria could be squeezed into a single sentence."I have posted to the fact that I have purchased at least five times to include amps and other higher end items from him. Is that concise and relative enough to count as my having first hand knowledge for you?
"By your criteria, or lack of adherence to such, you opened the wide for me enter the thread and offer some of my own opinion. That said, you hardly have any authority to tell me whether I can contribute or not..."
Well if you have not bought anything first hand than your contribution to this thread is rather meaningless. I did point out in a email to Ron a few days ago that he has a problem. Whether or not he chooses to reply to this forum is completely up to him.
"The way you responded to the original poster's genuine question, politely asked, which did not make any accusations, really sh*t me. If it was apparent to me that you were using some smoke-and-mirrors to make some dubious, perhaps contradictory points (opinion), then sure, I can say so."
I asked him to tell us what part he ordered? If it was a kit or what? Had he gone to the Welborne site he would have read that until the 12th they were closed and filling their back orders. Further had he scrolled down this active AA page he could have read and added to that on-going thread. Whatever.
"So, I may not got da' language down dude, but that don't mean I'm not able to contribute. Word."
So my statement stands that unless you have first hand knowledge ordering from Welborne you should not be posting anything negative about his company. I for one can state that on multiple occasions before and after my ordering around $3K in items from Ron I have sent and received prompt replies from him. Can you write the same thing Dude? BTW if you registered here people would take your posts more seriously Dude. Word. Again I am not defending him. It is not new news that Ron is known to be a little slow filling orders. I hope Ron finds time to jump in and let the folks know what is going on AND he tells people what he doing to rectify the situation. The 3 week wait on my pair of 45 DRD amps was well worth it since they sound great to my ears. John
You take my point only insofar as you can refute it; you seem to have either missed or disregarded the intent - perhaps I should be more succinct in my discourse (oops, my persona slipped for a moment).> > > I have posted to the fact that I have purchased at least five times to include amps and other higher end items from him. Is that concise and relative enough to count as my having first hand knowledge for you? < < <
Remember, you defined the criteria (without authority to do so, but we can let that slide). Your post provided only a little first hand experience, then offered a great wad of 'opinion', which could have been offered irrespective of said first-hand experience. So, is your criteria designed to limit posts to 1) just providing first hand experience [your post failed this], or 2) only allowing those with first hand experience to offer 'opinion' that one would not necessarily need the first hand experience to provide [flawed intent and suggests arbitrary control]?
> > > Well if you have not bought anything first hand than your contribution to this thread is rather meaningless. I did point out in a email to Ron a few days ago that he has a problem. Whether or not he chooses to reply to this forum is completely up to him. < < <My point was that most of your post offered up opinion that 'most anyone could provide, irrespective of whether they had first hand experience or not. You moved away from simple sharing of experience eg. I bought x and had y service, to providing opinion on whether or not various experiences / business activities / poster behaviours were appropriate etc. By doing so, you invited others to share their opinions also. Pretty simple, really.
> > > I asked him to tell us what part he ordered? If it was a kit or what? Had he gone to the Welborne site he would have read that until the 12th they were closed and filling their back orders. Further had he scrolled down this active AA page he could have read and added to that on-going thread. Whatever. < < <
You are very selective on what you choose to address. I am guessing by the "whatever" added at the end, you have little means of backing out of this one. Simple, you seemed disproportionately aggressive in response to a genuine request. Just cop it, there is not weakness in doing so; it demonstrates strength actually.
> > > So my statement stands that unless you have first hand knowledge ordering from Welborne you should not be posting anything negative about his company < < <
Wrong; that argument is flawed in many ways. 'Oh, unless I experience it directly, I should ignore it.' Please. Various people have provided the data (sort of); I can analyse it. You did when you offered up the type of opinion that did not directly relate to your experiences. Also, re-read my initial response – it was a not so harsh opinion and made suggestions, ‘shoulds’ etc. – nothing directly attacking Ron or his business.
> > > I for one can state that on multiple occasions before and after my ordering around $3K in items from Ron I have sent and received prompt replies from him. Can you write the same thing Dude? < < <
As discussed above, irrelevant to what I posted.
> > > BTW if you registered here people would take your posts more seriously Dude. < < <
You are grasping. My argument stands on its merits, not my history. You seem to have taken my posts *very* seriously, considering the time you have spent...
> > > Again I am not defending him. < < <
No, you are just trying to gag some posters and make excuses.
> > > It is not new news that Ron is known to be a little slow filling orders. I hope Ron finds time to jump in and let the folks know what is going on AND he tells people what he doing to rectify the situation. The 3 week wait on my pair of 45 DRD amps was well worth it since they sound great to my ears. < < <
All discussed earlier, in this thread and others.
Now, I could go back and deconstruct each of your "load of piss-weak excuses, shoddy rationalism" and I have answered your points / questions, can I go hang wi' my peeps now dude?
Dude you can have the last word. You have not purchased anything from him obviously or you would have answered my question. So once again real slowly for you now, "You have nothing meaningful to add to this thread." Why not register here, or do you just like posting anonymously? John
and despite expecting others to accept your point-by-point explanations, you (again) use condescension to ignore and disregard the views of others. You can make your demands, set your criteria, yawn, and say it slowly all you wish, but your smoke-and-mirrors little to me. I feel I had something to add, so I did. An arrogant one sentence response from you is not enough to have me thinking differently. Sorry.Buzz
P.S. This has nothing to do with having the last word - people claim such for others generally hold those values closely themselves.
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